Newb question on protien - Ausbb

19-08-2009, 02:47 PM

Hi guys great forum, ill just do a quick intro on me. im 23 im guessing a mix of ectomorph/endomorph and have been going to the gym for the last 2 years on and off taking WPC before and after my workouts. I initially started because i weighed a measley 56kg @ 178-180cm i then reached a slightly flabby 82kg in march of this year and through healthy diet and running have got myself to a slim 77kg.

Now that my diet is in check, have a regular lifestyle and back at the gym i would like to gain muscle most efficientley. Im looking to buy some protein but want to do more research.

My question is: When buying protein what exactley should we look for? (other than protein % per serve) i mean stuff like amino acids?

thanks

Kyle Aaron · 19-08-2009, 02:59 PM

Start with just eating more and see how you go from there. The protein in regular food is usually the cheapest. Protein powders are for two things: when you find it hard to eat enough in regular food (eg you might get sick of chicken and tuna) and when you need protein that can be digested very quickly (any liquid digests more quickly than something solid).

19-08-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle Aaron

Start with just eating more and see how you go from there. The protein in regular food is usually the cheapest. Protein powders are for two things: when you find it hard to eat enough in regular food (eg you might get sick of chicken and tuna) and when you need protein that can be digested very quickly (any liquid digests more quickly than something solid).

sorry i probably should have outlined eating is not my problem lol

i could get to 90kg easily if i wanted to have a bit of flab on me but id rather be 80kg and lean. My diet is fine in terms of getting chicken, red meat, rice, potatoes, vegetables, tuna, salads etc daily ive been sticking solidly to my diet for about 1 year, im in a position where i want to take the next step and make sure my body is prepared pre and post workout to capitalize on any gains that can be made there.

My problem is i dont know much about what to look for in protein powders. i know the diff in WPC and WPI thats about it

Kyle Aaron · 19-08-2009, 03:38 PM

Whether you consume protein in the form of more steaks or in the form of powder, you will gain both fat and muscle. This is why many people have "bulking" and "cutting" cycles.

During the bulking cycle, they consume more calories than they spend, and gain both fat and muscle; during the cutting cycle, they consume less calories than they spend, making sure lots of those calories come from protein, and they lose both fat and muscle, but lose more fat than muscle, and don't lose as much muscle as they gained during the bulking cycle.

For example, we have someone a couple of years into training, he is 80kg and 12.5% bodyfat. That means he is 70kg lean, 10kg fat.

He does a bulking cycle for four months, and gets up to 86kg at 14% bodyfat. So he's now 74kg lean and 12kg fat. He's gained 4kg of muscle and 2kg fat.

Now he does a cutting cycle for two months, and gets down to 82kg at 11% bodyfat. He's now 73kg lean and 9kg fat. He's lost 1kg muscle and 3kg fat.

After the total six months, the net effect of his four month bulk and two month cut is that he has gained 3kg of muscle and lost 1kg of fat, going from 80kg at 12.5% bodyfat to 82kg at 11% bodyfat.

It's a bit different for a beginner, someone in their first year of training; they can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time, provided they start off with a lot of fat. But that's not you, you're more experienced. So to gain muscle you will have to gain fat at the same time; this will happen whether you have protein powder or not.

19-08-2009, 04:05 PM

sorry dude, i get and know what your saying but i don't see its relevance to my question of "When buying protein what exactley should we look for?"

i know how to get my body where i want it to be, after 2 years and finally reaching somewhere im satisfied with my training and eating habits i want to start using(properly) and help on supplements to help me along, due to my lack of knowledge on pre/post workout protein iam here. Basically taking the next step.
Its not as easy as just eating chicken after a workout to get your protein as your blood is rushing to your muscles which affects digestation of whole foods and its a slow process, i would like to supplement this with protein powders the best to my advantage and get those crucial little gains that their are post workout.

dont you worry about my bulking/cutting leave that to me, but feel free to throw any advice on what to look for in pre/post protein powders, other than protein per serve.

upg · 19-08-2009, 04:12 PM

pre/post workout = same powder

dymatize elite 4.5kg is the cheapest

or Optimum nutrition for a bit more

a 20kg sack of protein is cheaper than both

post workout add 50-75g of dextrose

my personal opinion is that WPI is not worth the extra outlay

aminoz · 19-08-2009, 08:02 PM

Speaking personally, I would agree with upg. WPI is expensive and from my personal training experience, a WPI/WPC blend can be just as effective without the hole in your pocket.

Personally I use the Dymatize Natural Elite (I have a new found respect for non-artificially sweetened products!), but the Dymatize Elite Whey 4.5kg Protein Powder is one of the most cost effective and also effective protein powders out there. I would suggest avoiding buying cheaper brands, because the quality of the whey will have an impact on protein synthesis. Also, just go for a straight protein to keep the costs down.

In a pre/post workout protein, based on the research I have read, it seems that whey based protein will yield best results due to the high biological value and fast absorption rates.

I would also consider L-glutamine, creatine and dextrose (get it at Big W for $2.50 a kilo in the beer brewing section!)

**The Hulk** · 19-08-2009, 08:18 PM

20kg WPC from protein direct - $287 delivered next day.
That's $14.35/kg.

19-08-2009, 08:44 PM

Awesome thanks guys, also are all amino acids and BCAA's are they all roughly the same with most whey's?

Im assuming L-glutamine and dextrose is for post workout?

19-08-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by aminoz

Speaking personally, I would agree with upg. WPI is expensive and from my personal training experience, a WPI/WPC blend can be just as effective without the hole in your pocket.

Personally I use the Dymatize Natural Elite (I have a new found respect for non-artificially sweetened products!), but the is one of the most cost effective and also effective protein powders out there. I would suggest avoiding buying cheaper brands, because the quality of the whey will have an impact on protein synthesis. Also, just go for a straight protein to keep the costs down.

In a pre/post workout protein, based on the research I have read, it seems that whey based protein will yield best results due to the high biological value and fast absorption rates.

I would also consider L-glutamine, creatine and dextrose (get it at Big W for $2.50 a kilo in the beer brewing section!)

how much would delivery be on the dymatize to melbourne?

19-08-2009, 02:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
velez Guest Posts: n/a	Newb question on protien Hi guys great forum, ill just do a quick intro on me. im 23 im guessing a mix of ectomorph/endomorph and have been going to the gym for the last 2 years on and off taking WPC before and after my workouts. I initially started because i weighed a measley 56kg @ 178-180cm i then reached a slightly flabby 82kg in march of this year and through healthy diet and running have got myself to a slim 77kg. Now that my diet is in check, have a regular lifestyle and back at the gym i would like to gain muscle most efficientley. Im looking to buy some protein but want to do more research. My question is: When buying protein what exactley should we look for? (other than protein % per serve) i mean stuff like amino acids? thanks

19-08-2009, 02:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kyle Aaron Active Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Gender: Posts: 3,682	Start with just eating more and see how you go from there. The protein in regular food is usually the cheapest. Protein powders are for two things: when you find it hard to eat enough in regular food (eg you might get sick of chicken and tuna) and when you need protein that can be digested very quickly (any liquid digests more quickly than something solid). __________________ Recent clients' best results: BW +10kg/-27kg ... BF-11% ... ♀/♂1RM/kg SQ65/145 OHP30/65 DL75/170 "fitness and lifting is just an interest I have. Plain and simple. Some people like music, others like shopping, I like deadlifts." - a client[/SIZE]

19-08-2009, 03:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
Kyle Aaron Active Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Gender: Posts: 3,682	Whether you consume protein in the form of more steaks or in the form of powder, you will gain both fat and muscle. This is why many people have "bulking" and "cutting" cycles. During the bulking cycle, they consume more calories than they spend, and gain both fat and muscle; during the cutting cycle, they consume less calories than they spend, making sure lots of those calories come from protein, and they lose both fat and muscle, but lose more fat than muscle, and don't lose as much muscle as they gained during the bulking cycle. For example, we have someone a couple of years into training, he is 80kg and 12.5% bodyfat. That means he is 70kg lean, 10kg fat. He does a bulking cycle for four months, and gets up to 86kg at 14% bodyfat. So he's now 74kg lean and 12kg fat. He's gained 4kg of muscle and 2kg fat. Now he does a cutting cycle for two months, and gets down to 82kg at 11% bodyfat. He's now 73kg lean and 9kg fat. He's lost 1kg muscle and 3kg fat. After the total six months, the net effect of his four month bulk and two month cut is that he has gained 3kg of muscle and lost 1kg of fat, going from 80kg at 12.5% bodyfat to 82kg at 11% bodyfat. It's a bit different for a beginner, someone in their first year of training; they can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time, provided they start off with a lot of fat. But that's not you, you're more experienced. So to gain muscle you will have to gain fat at the same time; this will happen whether you have protein powder or not. __________________ Recent clients' best results: BW +10kg/-27kg ... BF-11% ... ♀/♂1RM/kg SQ65/145 OHP30/65 DL75/170 "fitness and lifting is just an interest I have. Plain and simple. Some people like music, others like shopping, I like deadlifts." - a client[/SIZE]

19-08-2009, 04:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
upg Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Perth, WA Gender: Posts: 206	pre/post workout = same powder dymatize elite 4.5kg is the cheapest or Optimum nutrition for a bit more a 20kg sack of protein is cheaper than both post workout add 50-75g of dextrose my personal opinion is that WPI is not worth the extra outlay Last edited by upg; 19-08-2009 at 04:17 PM.

19-08-2009, 08:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
aminoz Site Advertiser Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sydney Gender: Posts: 151	Speaking personally, I would agree with upg. WPI is expensive and from my personal training experience, a WPI/WPC blend can be just as effective without the hole in your pocket. Personally I use the Dymatize Natural Elite (I have a new found respect for non-artificially sweetened products!), but the Dymatize Elite Whey 4.5kg Protein Powder is one of the most cost effective and also effective protein powders out there. I would suggest avoiding buying cheaper brands, because the quality of the whey will have an impact on protein synthesis. Also, just go for a straight protein to keep the costs down. In a pre/post workout protein, based on the research I have read, it seems that whey based protein will yield best results due to the high biological value and fast absorption rates. I would also consider L-glutamine, creatine and dextrose (get it at Big W for $2.50 a kilo in the beer brewing section!) __________________ Jay Bonaretti - AminoZ.com.au * 3% off with our rewards program * Immediate dispatch within 1 business day * The best customer service online * Free gifts for orders over $100

19-08-2009, 04:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
velez Guest Posts: n/a	sorry dude, i get and know what your saying but i don't see its relevance to my question of "When buying protein what exactley should we look for?" i know how to get my body where i want it to be, after 2 years and finally reaching somewhere im satisfied with my training and eating habits i want to start using(properly) and help on supplements to help me along, due to my lack of knowledge on pre/post workout protein iam here. Basically taking the next step. Its not as easy as just eating chicken after a workout to get your protein as your blood is rushing to your muscles which affects digestation of whole foods and its a slow process, i would like to supplement this with protein powders the best to my advantage and get those crucial little gains that their are post workout. dont you worry about my bulking/cutting leave that to me, but feel free to throw any advice on what to look for in pre/post protein powders, other than protein per serve.

19-08-2009, 08:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
The Hulk Active Member Site Advertiser Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sydney Gender: Posts: 2,092	20kg WPC from protein direct - $287 delivered next day. That's $14.35/kg.

19-08-2009, 08:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
velez Guest Posts: n/a	Awesome thanks guys, also are all amino acids and BCAA's are they all roughly the same with most whey's? Im assuming L-glutamine and dextrose is for post workout?