Pre workout supps..what to take? - Page 2 - Ausbb

howzit · 07-11-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jman_898

have you considered a type of creatine pre workout drink? most of them these days are laced with caffiene to give you a massive buzz but the creatine is great pre and even post training. most pre drinks these days have nitric oxide in them which is a vasodialator (makes your veins increase in internal size to flow more oxygen enriched blook) im still getting into things myself but i love to read about this sort of thing. from what ive seen so far and what ive been using to my advantage is i take a protein shake high in carbs and fast acting proteings about hour and a half before training. i take a creatine drink (eg: NO xplod) for a big energy buzz (only been using it for the past week but ive used it in the past a few years ago) and a good post workout protein shake with a good meal (preferably a protein powder containing bcaa's and creatine but no caffiene! lol)

so far in 2 and a half months ive dropped 2% body fat and gained 7.5 kilo's of muscle

i hope this is of some help. im sure there are others on this forum who can narrow this down a little more for you.
just my 2 cents

Cheers,
Jeremy

NO-Xplode is not a creatine LOL! It's a nitric oxide...

I've been on Superpump250 and the gains I got on that were unlike anything I've had before. Now with NO-Xplode and it seems to have a similar effect, but is a bit cheaper.

raphsta · 07-11-2009, 11:18 AM

Howzit,
Both NO-Xplode and Superpump 250 contain creatine..

Creatine is probably the main reason you got the gains on SP250...

howzit · 07-11-2009, 02:30 PM

They do, but they contain insufficient amounts... I stacked creatine mono with it.

07-11-2009, 03:01 PM

White Blood contains no caffine.

07-11-2009, 04:03 PM

Do you mean White Flood by Controlled Labs? If so you must be mistaken man, it has caffeine.

Jman_898 · 07-11-2009, 04:06 PM

if no one had noticed yet, i have never condoned using a creating pre or post drink containing caffiene. i agree with you all that its one of the worst things for the system. i meerely stated in my first post that it gives you a massive buzz, and if anything deffinately not to use something similar to no xpod as a post due to the caffiene..... i didnt think i was all that hasty to post... i was meerly offering some advice and also warning about most pre drinks containing caffiene. creatine in my opinion is a god send, its just the amounts which i am yet to play with to get the right effects, hence why i asked for the opinions of some more experiences members as its a learning curve for myself too.... all i wanted to do was instill the idea of pre and post creatine drinks along with the right kinds of proteins pre and post.... sorry if you thought i was acting out of place... all i was trying to do is help...

Jman_898 · 07-11-2009, 04:09 PM

oh and thanks raphsta for backing me up dude.

howzit... mate they do have creatine in them. read labels, it does wonders
100grams of creatine pre workout wont do any good mate it only takes maby 5 grams pre or post for sufficient protein synthesis... some people choose to load in times of very stressfull routines. some of that will go to waste but its always just for that little more gain...

07-11-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh_GTiR

Do you mean White Flood by Controlled Labs? If so you must be mistaken man, it has caffeine.

No, White Blood by Controlled Labs. Its a pre workout supplement with no caffeine.

raphsta · 07-11-2009, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by howzit

They do, but they contain insufficient amounts... I stacked creatine mono with it.

Which shows how much of a waste of money such products are.
They contain lots of ingredients, but such small quantities, and lots of bullsh*t ingredients too.
Although, we don't really know how much creatine is in SP250 for example. I'd take a guess at 3g, which I wouldn't really call insufficient.
Gaspari want their customers to buy SP250, and "Size On" which is their intra-workout creatine formula - all their marketing goes on about how well those two products work together.

Anyway...

I like this page on the AIS website, it shows which supplements their athletes use, and the ones that have been shown to be useless.
Australian Institute of Sport :: Classification

Caffeine used to be in their Group A supplements, but now has a note that they no longer use caffeine as a supplement. Would be interesting to find out why..

Jman_898 · 07-11-2009, 05:24 PM

Quote Raphsta

I like this page on the AIS website, it shows which supplements their athletes use, and the ones that have been shown to be useless.

Caffeine used to be in their Group A supplements, but now has a note that they no longer use caffeine as a supplement. Would be interesting to find out why..

End quote

I also find it very interesting how nitric oxide supplements rank in category c which have very little proof of beneficial effects... its amazing the variety of slightly contradictory information you can find on the internet.

very sorry to hijack this thread... in hind sight tho i suppose from this you can see how minimal or maximal some effects of supplements can be and it really comes down to individuals... i believe if your taking your dosage of creatine pre and post consider maby some bcaa's and good nutritious meals and you will reach your goal soon enough

best of luck MADDYSMUM, please let us all know what you choose to follow in the way of supplements and how they worked for you

cheers,
Jeremy

07-11-2009, 11:18 AM	#12 (permalink)
raphsta Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sydney Gender: Posts: 120	Howzit, Both NO-Xplode and Superpump 250 contain creatine.. Creatine is probably the main reason you got the gains on SP250...

07-11-2009, 02:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
howzit Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Perth, WA Gender: Posts: 348	They do, but they contain insufficient amounts... I stacked creatine mono with it.

07-11-2009, 03:01 PM	#14 (permalink)
-LJ- Guest Posts: n/a	White Blood contains no caffine.

07-11-2009, 04:03 PM	#15 (permalink)
Josh_GTiR Guest Posts: n/a	Do you mean White Flood by Controlled Labs? If so you must be mistaken man, it has caffeine.

07-11-2009, 04:06 PM	#16 (permalink)
Jman_898 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: sydney Gender: Posts: 248	if no one had noticed yet, i have never condoned using a creating pre or post drink containing caffiene. i agree with you all that its one of the worst things for the system. i meerely stated in my first post that it gives you a massive buzz, and if anything deffinately not to use something similar to no xpod as a post due to the caffiene..... i didnt think i was all that hasty to post... i was meerly offering some advice and also warning about most pre drinks containing caffiene. creatine in my opinion is a god send, its just the amounts which i am yet to play with to get the right effects, hence why i asked for the opinions of some more experiences members as its a learning curve for myself too.... all i wanted to do was instill the idea of pre and post creatine drinks along with the right kinds of proteins pre and post.... sorry if you thought i was acting out of place... all i was trying to do is help...

07-11-2009, 04:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
Jman_898 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: sydney Gender: Posts: 248	oh and thanks raphsta for backing me up dude. howzit... mate they do have creatine in them. read labels, it does wonders 100grams of creatine pre workout wont do any good mate it only takes maby 5 grams pre or post for sufficient protein synthesis... some people choose to load in times of very stressfull routines. some of that will go to waste but its always just for that little more gain...

07-11-2009, 05:24 PM	#20 (permalink)
Jman_898 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: sydney Gender: Posts: 248	Quote Raphsta I like this page on the AIS website, it shows which supplements their athletes use, and the ones that have been shown to be useless. Caffeine used to be in their Group A supplements, but now has a note that they no longer use caffeine as a supplement. Would be interesting to find out why.. End quote I also find it very interesting how nitric oxide supplements rank in category c which have very little proof of beneficial effects... its amazing the variety of slightly contradictory information you can find on the internet. very sorry to hijack this thread... in hind sight tho i suppose from this you can see how minimal or maximal some effects of supplements can be and it really comes down to individuals... i believe if your taking your dosage of creatine pre and post consider maby some bcaa's and good nutritious meals and you will reach your goal soon enough best of luck MADDYSMUM, please let us all know what you choose to follow in the way of supplements and how they worked for you cheers, Jeremy