BoyFromAus

Majority of pre-WO supps i've seen contain Creatine and Caffeine and some designer blend which is beyond my vocabulary. Caffeine is a diuretic and creatine requires hydration... I don't understand why both are stacked together.

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Because the caffeine hit gives them a massive buzz so they think they can perform better.
The creatine is just in there so it can make it on the label and sell more bottles.

It appears there's already been a study proving they shouldn't be together.
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Vandenberghe+K%2C+Gillis+N%2C+Van+L eemputte+M%2C+Van+Hecke+P%2C+Vanstapel+F%2C+Hespel +P.+(February+1996)+Caffeine+counteracts+the+ergog enic+action+of+muscle+creatine+loading.+Journal+of +Applied+Physiology+Volume+80%3A2%3A+pages+452-457.&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=


Back to the main topic though...
Fadi's suggestions are below in italics.
(From http://ausbb.com/nutrition-diet/9001-3200-calorie-food-plan.html#post64110)


Before/During Workout Energy Drink: 6g WPI, 40g Oatmass, 400ml water
Or--------------------------------------------6g WPI, 25g WMS, 400ml water
Or--------------------------------------------45g 1 ½ thin slice white bread, 5g WPI, water
Or------------------------------------------- 125g White potato boiled, 5g WPI, water


I personally go with WMS and WPI in Water and find it works quite well

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howzit

Who said anything about 100g?

I said that NO-Xplode isn't A creatine, I didn't say "NO-Xplode doesn't have any creatine." It's primary function is not creatine [hense the low amount and the need for Cellmass or Size-On (creatine supplements)].

I've taken creatine alone by itself in the past and haven't experienced the gains I have since I started taking a nitric oxide supp. I first took it with the mindset that it's **** and doesn't work, additional strength gains and energy boosts have proven to me that it is worthwhile (I can get an extra 5 good reps on deadlifts). My dad has also taken it and generally he is slow in the gym, but I could tell it helped him (I didn't tell him what it was).

Also, if they want someone to buy their creatine products, why would they put a sufficient amount in them?

*EDIT* wtf is a sport's gel?

MADDYSMUM

Hi and thanks guys. Now I take a tsp of creatine in water pre workout.
Should I be taking it post workout too. I have my protein shake and Lucine mixed into it. Tell me if this is wrong please?

howzit

Creatine should be taken post workout.

Shrek

Creatine can be taken anytime of day, does not have to be pre or post workout.

Carbs is the best pre workout suppl.

Eat a potato with 4 eggs or with 250gms cottage cheese 1hr before workout. I do.

You can take leucine pre and post workout if you like.

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best thing to take pre workout is either a good pre workout formula like no-explode or something like horsepower by ultimate nutrition best thing to have post is a whey protein isolate or mass stack creatine like cell tech

Josh_GTiR

You obviously don't read these threads mate. Just pumping the brands you sell isn't very good advice.

Fadi

Raphael, I wrote you a reply then deleted it. To summarise my feelings re what the AIS is saying above I say this: Thank God I'm not at the AIS anymore!

PS: The above is making me say: Let the forces of the AIS and the Heart Foundation join together. I'll give you only one hint that would go to summarise my disgust with all the above talk. Check the heart foundation tick on the "polyunsaturated margarine" next time you pay a visit to your local supermarket. Enough said!


Fadi.

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I woukdnt take alot of notice of the AIS site.
As there are plenty of supps there in Group C that have alot of research behind them when used in the right situation, especially some of my favs.
ie. BCAA - Im sure you would all agree that they have their place.
Chromiun Picolinate - good for sugar balancing.
Carnitine - mental focus on low calorie diets and proven neurological benfits.
Nitric oxide boosters - good to get blood pumping via vasodilation and increased nutrient uptake
Vitamins - for whatever the reason
ZMA - helps sleep and test production
CoQ10 - has always been a fav of mine but only really noticable when pushing my limits at worst its a good antioxidant.

As for Group B as it says they are researching them
Melatonin - They technically shouldnt be able to give it to their athlete at all apart from a perscription so why was it there to start with.
HMB and Colostrum - Really they have been on that list for years, Im sure they made a verdict by now and how many here actually use these now after trying them in the past ten years.
Beta Alanine though I know they use extensively.

And Caffeine in Group A - all it says is they dont provide it to their athletes meaning that they dont pay for it. Im guessing it just up to the athlete to get it themselves.
In reality it inhibits nutrient uptake by constricting blood vessels and increase release of adrenaline which counter acts what the nitric oxide boosters want to do.
So for building muscle its ideal to steer away.
For the cardio side of things its good for mental focus and increase in fat use for energy which good for those long runs/walks or rides of the exercise bike.

Although saying this you cant deny how good you feel on preworkouts like NoXplode and Superpump and sometimes thats all its about, especially after a hard days work. I use them basically just for this most of the time.