Pre workout supps..what to take? - Page 9 - Ausbb

Fadi · 12-03-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chedder Bob

Hey fadi, what is your opinion on Bioflex's preworkout Biocharge.
It has no caffiene.

I wrote to Ben (the owner) and pointed out to him that all the ingredients there were fine except Inosine which I would not have as it has an effect on lactic acid increase (as opposed to beta alanine’s decrease). He's looking into it and perhaps would omit it from his next version of Biocharge...we'll have to wait and see.

Now Bob, I'm being very particular here and you may find Biocharge to be one hell of a product (which I think it is). But my point to Ben was that I was aiming for perfection, or turning what is already a heavy duty product into something even more powerful. The man has few new ingredients to add to the newer version which would really improve what is as I've already said a top notch product. So please feel confident in purchasing Biocharge as it is now and look forward to even a better one soon to come.

Fadi.

Mattias · 12-03-2010, 08:51 PM

What do you think of this one Fadi?

Kre-Alkalyn (buffered creatine monohydrate)
Beta Alanine
L- tyrosine
Acetyl L-carnitine
Dimethylaminoetanol
Magnesium

FAIRING SPORTS NUTRITION FAIR INGREDIENTS KCG R2

/Mattias

Jman_898 · 12-03-2010, 10:10 PM

I rekn Dimethylaminoetanol is one hell of a mouthfull! lol

Morgan · 12-03-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrek

One must know the effects of 4 lines of coke before making that comparison.

I don't wanna come across as a fully sick keyboard warrior hero or anything but I've tested a new batch before training for shits and giggles once and can honestly say that the pre-workout was better.

I'm currently in the process of getting some White Flood, training today without it, after eating flat out ALL day... it just wasn't the same, eat flat out all day with pre-WO and WOWZ0rS!!! haha.

Fadi · 13-03-2010, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattias

What do you think of this one Fadi?

Kre-Alkalyn (buffered creatine monohydrate)
Beta Alanine
L- tyrosine
Acetyl L-carnitine
Dimethylaminoetanol
Magnesium

FAIRING SPORTS NUTRITION FAIR INGREDIENTS KCG R2

/Mattias

Mattias, with the above I'd be concerned with timing as well as dosages. For example, I'd take creatine (irrespective of type since that's a personal preference) after training and not before. Why? Because as you know creatine plays a part in water shifting, not something you want taking place before your workout. After the workout, WMS+ Creatine would go hand in hand and quickly into the muscle as muscle glycogen.

When I speak of dosages, I'm thinking about something like Tyrosine and how it can have the opposite effect on the mind that it was intended to have. A bit like caffeine if you like; too much and you get an over stimulation of the nervous system which would in fact hinders muscle contraction instead of improving it.

As for DMAE, I say why stop there? Why not take full advantage of what it does?

You see Mattias, DMAE increases blood and brain choline, which as you know goes to manufacture acetylcholine which is a very important neurotransmitter in the brain (I suspect that's the reason why people take DMAE but without actually knowing how and/or why it works on your brain energy). Acetylcholine well, you can not buy this powerhouse; your body relies on its choline levels to produce it.

Okay so now we have acetylcholine in our system, how do we keep most of it there so we can have some amazing muscle contractions? You take Huperzine A, which has the unique ability to strongly inhibit acetylcholinesterase, the enzyme that breaks down acetylcholine in the synaptic cleft. I know I'm beginning to get technical so let me show you what a synaptic cleft look like (it's that bridge which Acetylcholine has to cross so as to make a nerve-muscle connection! Without it, you won't be able to type your words or read mine.

Beta alanine I’ve talked about before and how it’s great for muscular endurance due to putting out the lactic acid fire.

Magnesium well, we need it to balance the tight muscular contractions of calcium. Too much calcium and not enough magnesium will most definitely result in muscular cramp.
http://members.upnaway.com/~poliowa/Magnesium%20Mucle%20Relaxation.html

Fadi.

Shrek · 06-04-2010, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Shame

Curious as to your reasoning for this?

Steady supply of carbs ensure adequate energy for your workout. I guess if your after a quick burst or energy then a stimulant may be required. I try not to use stims anymore esp caffiene, although sometimes i do.

NPR · 07-04-2010, 03:42 PM

Shrek is 100% correct.

Stop wasting your time with these stupid and expensive supps. They are a waste and don't work! You can debate it all you like, in the end it's your money you wasting. I can tell you though that none of the top level olympic or powerlifters use that rubbish. And the bodybuilders only claim to for sponsorship money.

You want energy? You know calories are a measure of energy right? Want more energy eat more calories. Simple huh? Carbs are the easiest to use for emery quickly so it makes sense to eat plenty pre workout.

Glass of milk and a banana is all you need.
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Morgan · 08-04-2010, 01:39 AM

What about, excess calories AND pre workout for ultra mega high energy?

I'm about 1/4 of a way through my first tub of White Flood now, energy aside (which is great) and I'm a fan, it improves my focus, nothing can distract me, I love it for that reason alone.

NPR · 08-04-2010, 02:47 AM

Not excess cals, just what's necessary.

Hey if you guys want to wast $$$ on pointless supps go right ahead. Top level lifters don't use them, maybe you guys know better.
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Morgan · 08-04-2010, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NPR

Not excess cals, just what's necessary.

Hey if you guys want to wast $$$ on pointless supps go right ahead. Top level lifters don't use them, maybe you guys know better.
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I meant excess cals because I am forever bulking.

12-03-2010, 08:51 PM	#82 (permalink)
Mattias Regular Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: QLD, Gold Coast Gender: Posts: 333	What do you think of this one Fadi? Kre-Alkalyn (buffered creatine monohydrate) Beta Alanine L- tyrosine Acetyl L-carnitine Dimethylaminoetanol Magnesium FAIRING SPORTS NUTRITION FAIR INGREDIENTS KCG R2 /Mattias __________________ *Nothing is impossible!* *Go hard or go home!*

07-04-2010, 03:42 PM	#87 (permalink)
NPR Active Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Melbourne Gender: Posts: 1,133	Shrek is 100% correct. Stop wasting your time with these stupid and expensive supps. They are a waste and don't work! You can debate it all you like, in the end it's your money you wasting. I can tell you though that none of the top level olympic or powerlifters use that rubbish. And the bodybuilders only claim to for sponsorship money. You want energy? You know calories are a measure of energy right? Want more energy eat more calories. Simple huh? Carbs are the easiest to use for emery quickly so it makes sense to eat plenty pre workout. Glass of milk and a banana is all you need. Posted via Mobile Device __________________ Bigger Faster Stronger

08-04-2010, 01:39 AM	#88 (permalink)
Morgan Active Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Melbourne Gender: Posts: 1,417	What about, excess calories AND pre workout for ultra mega high energy? I'm about 1/4 of a way through my first tub of White Flood now, energy aside (which is great) and I'm a fan, it improves my focus, nothing can distract me, I love it for that reason alone. __________________ 6'4", 119kg - Bulking to 125-130kg by September... Recent PB's - Bench 175kg x 1 145kg 5x5, Weighted Pullups +25kg 5x5, Sumo Deadlift 250kg x 1 180kg 5x5, Squat 200kg x 1 160kg 5x5, BB Row 115kg 5x5

08-04-2010, 02:47 AM	#89 (permalink)
NPR Active Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Melbourne Gender: Posts: 1,133	Not excess cals, just what's necessary. Hey if you guys want to wast $$$ on pointless supps go right ahead. Top level lifters don't use them, maybe you guys know better. Posted via Mobile Device __________________ Bigger Faster Stronger

12-03-2010, 10:10 PM	#83 (permalink)
Jman_898 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: sydney Gender: Posts: 248	I rekn Dimethylaminoetanol is one hell of a mouthfull! lol