DB shoulder press - Ausbb

Shank · 19-05-2010, 09:14 PM

Hi guys,

Just a quick one, with a dumbell shoulder press, i will be doing it seated, can i still do it on my bench if it doesn't go copmletely vertical, has a slight angle?

Also will doing military press , db shoulder press and upright rows be better in a split or replace the shoulder press with arnold press?

Cheers
Shank

dave · 19-05-2010, 09:24 PM

Do it standing or just do not worry about the back support if seated.
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Shank · 19-05-2010, 09:32 PM

doesnt matter abt the angle?

Shrek · 19-05-2010, 09:40 PM

no it doesn't, it will however bring the chest muscles into play a little more.

Shank · 19-05-2010, 09:56 PM

ok thanks alot shrek, either way it is still workin the mid and front shoulders right?

Shank · 19-05-2010, 10:58 PM

sorry just another question,

in the same workout i do tri's aswell, i do dips, tricep rope, underhand pulldowns.

Should i swapout the tricep rope for push downs (do both those cable exercises work the inner head?)

Oli · 19-05-2010, 11:28 PM

I thought tricep pushdowns were done with a tricep rope?

also i'm not sure that underhand pulldowns are a great tricep exercise...

Shank · 19-05-2010, 11:38 PM

I have a straight bar and a rope.

Ok so how would you re work those exercises, i will take any advice

Oli · 19-05-2010, 11:56 PM

Well,

Triceps arn't a major muscle, and they tend to get overtrained in bodybuilding (chest and shoulder work often rely on the tricep as a major mover, and triceps get hit again during back work when operating as an antagonist muscle to pulling movements).

For that reason I'd probably only pick one exercise for triceps. Traditionally the most popular tricep exercises for bodybuilders tend to be skull crushers (tricep extension) and tricep pushdowns (done with a rope). Heres a few ways you could use them effectively:

Say you combine triceps with chest, shoulders (eg a 'push' day):
4x10 bench
3x8 overhead press
3x10 skull crushers OR tricep pushdowns

Say you have a shoulder and arms day:
4x10 military press
3x10 side laterals
3x10 skull crushers OR tricep pushdowns
3x10 of some kind of bicep curl.

dave · 19-05-2010, 11:57 PM

Shank you seem to be really interested in if specific heads of muscles are being worked. I am assuming you are a beginner due to these questions. I think you should focus on big compound exercises first and get some strength and overall size first. Worrying about whether the front, middle or posterior deltoid heads are being worked with and exercise or whether a tricep pushdown will hit the long, lateral or medial tricep heads is kind of unimportant right now for you. If I am wrong and you have a 140kg bench and are a big behemoth then I apologise go right ahead and work out what you need to do to hit your individual muscles more.

19-05-2010, 09:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
Shank Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Gender: Posts: 222	DB shoulder press Hi guys, Just a quick one, with a dumbell shoulder press, i will be doing it seated, can i still do it on my bench if it doesn't go copmletely vertical, has a slight angle? Also will doing military press , db shoulder press and upright rows be better in a split or replace the shoulder press with arnold press? Cheers Shank

19-05-2010, 11:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
Oli Active Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Newcastle Gender: Posts: 3,000	I thought tricep pushdowns were done with a tricep rope? also i'm not sure that underhand pulldowns are a great tricep exercise... __________________ 5/3/1 Crew.

19-05-2010, 11:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
Oli Active Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Newcastle Gender: Posts: 3,000	Well, Triceps arn't a major muscle, and they tend to get overtrained in bodybuilding (chest and shoulder work often rely on the tricep as a major mover, and triceps get hit again during back work when operating as an antagonist muscle to pulling movements). For that reason I'd probably only pick one exercise for triceps. Traditionally the most popular tricep exercises for bodybuilders tend to be skull crushers (tricep extension) and tricep pushdowns (done with a rope). Heres a few ways you could use them effectively: Say you combine triceps with chest, shoulders (eg a 'push' day): 4x10 bench 3x8 overhead press 3x10 skull crushers OR tricep pushdowns Say you have a shoulder and arms day: 4x10 military press 3x10 side laterals 3x10 skull crushers OR tricep pushdowns 3x10 of some kind of bicep curl. __________________ 5/3/1 Crew.

19-05-2010, 09:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
dave Active Member July10MOTM Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Gender: Posts: 4,803	Do it standing or just do not worry about the back support if seated. Posted via Mobile Device

19-05-2010, 09:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
Shank Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Gender: Posts: 222	doesnt matter abt the angle?

19-05-2010, 09:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
Shank Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Gender: Posts: 222	ok thanks alot shrek, either way it is still workin the mid and front shoulders right?

19-05-2010, 10:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
Shank Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Gender: Posts: 222	sorry just another question, in the same workout i do tri's aswell, i do dips, tricep rope, underhand pulldowns. Should i swapout the tricep rope for push downs (do both those cable exercises work the inner head?)

19-05-2010, 11:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
Shank Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Gender: Posts: 222	I have a straight bar and a rope. Ok so how would you re work those exercises, i will take any advice

19-05-2010, 11:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
dave Active Member July10MOTM Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Gender: Posts: 4,803	Shank you seem to be really interested in if specific heads of muscles are being worked. I am assuming you are a beginner due to these questions. I think you should focus on big compound exercises first and get some strength and overall size first. Worrying about whether the front, middle or posterior deltoid heads are being worked with and exercise or whether a tricep pushdown will hit the long, lateral or medial tricep heads is kind of unimportant right now for you. If I am wrong and you have a 140kg bench and are a big behemoth then I apologise go right ahead and work out what you need to do to hit your individual muscles more.