Fadi

Steroids perhaps Raphael? If you can recover, then train 3x/day, 7 days/week...if you can recover then supercompensate that is!

I was training 8 times a week as a weightlifter due to the structure of the program and the way it's designed based on my 1RM. This idea is so foreign to most bodybuilders which in my opinion make them take the easier option out by resorting to steroids before exploring a smarter way of training.

PS: Raphael, I wouldn't go as far as to say that a split routine is inefficient/not recommended, as it's evident by the virtue that it's working for some. Everything works for some most of the time. There's a lot more to this of course.

Fadi.

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vader-nator

LOL

"Everything works for some most of the time."

That is a killer statement.

My brain is twisted now.

Rob

Fadi

Rob, I was looking for an answer I gave and for the life of me I can not find it. I was asked about a system of training and my answer was that it would be best not to rubbish any since they all work for some. You've got the HIT proponent rubbishing the high volume boys; the high volume boys rubbishing the going to failure boys etc etc. I decided that all these different systems have their merits and advocates. I mean one would have to be blind not to see that.

So my comment above: "Everything works for some most of the time," everything here stands for the different styles which obviously work for some. "Most of the time", here means that's the main system these bodybuilders use for years before making a switch then "suddenly begin to improve again". Mmmm, really? I wonder why? My answer back then (and still is), nothing works forever.

Have I confused you even more Rob?! I'll have to find that thread, it would make more sense then...


Fadi.

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vader-nator

I know exactly what you mean....... I'ts just such a deep one. Not confused just perplexed with the magnitude of the statement.

I guess the only real constant is faith.

If you are 100% certain the work you are doing is the way to go then you will be compelled to do it to the best of your ability.

Giving 100% is sure to make your efforts productive......

Even if you don't get enough rest days.....LOL

We are all very obsessive personalities. That makes it all heaps of fun.

Now some food for thought from Mentzer obsessed Rob....
I'm still getting away with 40 mins per workout on a 4 way split with each part trained only once every 12 days.

Still gaining.

Arms pumped are 19.5 inches or 49.5 cm and dips are getting as easy as walking.

So I reckon we should:

Do less!

Take rest days!

and above all have fun arguing. Hee hee!!!!!!

means your money is where your mouth is...... most important way to results.

Rob

Quote Oddball Kellys Heroes " Have a little faith baby. Have a little faith! "

azza

I couldnt agree more, when i first started doing weights 20 years ago, i trained with a mate that had brought Flex magazine, we copied what Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray did. I soon realised i was on a road to no where when i brought the Weider supplements as well (great to be niaive) What happens then is chronic overtraining and under achieving, also you soon start to hate the fact or loose belief in yourself for not gaining anything. Guess what, fast forward 20 years later and nothings changed, the magazines still publish the pros so called workouts, but now the pros have trainers and the supplements are more confusing and dearer to buy. Lucky i have educated myself. My findings are trainee's dont realy know how to evaluate a program because of where the bar is placed. The talk of 1 set cant possibly work or working 1 bodypart every 10 days cant work. Well much smarter people than us have pondered this and found out for themselfs, Mentzer also smoked after a workout so go figure. Mentzers teachings for someone who took AAS and had great recovery because of this still are great teachings, i go one step further and actually train Dorian style, slightly modified for me though.
AZZA

-LJ-

I love the table in the first post. Its excellent!

vader-nator

Thanks bud,

You'd be the only one that agrees with me so far. LOL

I am a bit of a mad scientist.

Have taken economy of drug free recovery to bonkers levels but hey.....

Works for me!

Rob

kano

hey fadi.great thread

i workout 3 times a week aswell.are you saying the days i have off i should do high reps on the body parts im lacking in.

Fadi

What do you understand by "high reps" kano? I'm speaking of a very light weight to pump the blood into the lacking muscle so as to increase capillary density. Please do not mistaken that for some high rep bodybuilding workout. Our aim is not the direct building of muscles here but rather capillaries and blood vessels. That in turn would indirectly have an effect on muscle building through the process of a better blood flow to the muscles.


Fadi.

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kano

i understand about light weight and high reps for better blood flow.but when should we do this,after a workout or on the days we have off