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04-09-2009, 12:36 AM

Oh man, this shit is sounding so good. You could really smash people with that last one. I think I'll start off with the bar thanks.

Fadi · 04-09-2009, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by katie

Sounds like the Bear Complex in crossfit - check out this vid, would love to hear thoughts...

YouTube - The Bear Complex WOD

Thanks for that katie. You've given me an idea that will go a long way to help you guys here remember something and hopefully do it. Now based on the above clip, if I was to take that lady's power clean as the norm for all fitness/bodybuilding athlete and compare it to a weightlifter's powerclean, what would be the diference between the two groups, i.e. what's the point of difference between that clip and an olympic weightlifter's powerclean.

PS: Markos and Nick, you're out of this riddle (because you know the answer already). I would like others to learn something form this today. Thanks.

Fadi.

04-09-2009, 01:23 PM

Fadi, is it because she doesn't jump off the ground when bringing the bar from her thighs up to her shoulders? Also, I noticed that she is not doing it in one fluid motion when it gets heavier, though it may be that she is getting tired?

Fadi · 04-09-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh_GTiR

Fadi, is it because she doesn't jump off the ground when bringing the bar from her thighs up to her shoulders? Also, I noticed that she is not doing it in one fluid motion when it gets heavier, though it may be that she is getting tired?

Good try and you're on the right track, so please do have another crack at it Josh.

Fadi.

04-09-2009, 10:57 PM

Maybe she is using to much arms and not enough shoulders? It would be easier to see if it was slower.

Fadi · 05-09-2009, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh_GTiR

Maybe she is using to much arms and not enough shoulders? It would be easier to see if it was slower.

I'm a little bit surprised that this is turning out to be a Josh/Fadi thread. Doesn't anyone else want to have a go? Josh, I'll give you a hint based on elimination from which you can deduce. Shoulders and arms are not used in cleans or powerclean except as hooks and resting platform (apart from traps which are used at the finishing point of the pull). Hooking the body to the weights with the arms, then resting the bar across the collar and front deltoids (mainly).

Does that make it any easier now Josh that I've eliminated arms and shoulders for you? Don't forget, I'm asking about the point of difference between that clip and an Olympic weightlifter's powerclean. Trust me, when I give you the answer and you follow it, your powerclean will instantly jump up by 20kg! I'm dead serious here Josh.

PS: You and anyone else is free to check YouTube for any Olympic weightlifter performing a clean and jerk etc just to make it easier for you to spot "that" point of difference.

Fadi.

katie · 05-09-2009, 03:01 AM

It's a josh/fadi thread because I have no idea! I did look up a weightlifting clean and jerk and still am bemused...

trofius · 05-09-2009, 11:34 AM

weight lifters do the first stage the clean explosivly with their legs to get a good momentum going, they tend to have their hands much wider apart on the bar also, so the arms stay straiter.

she seems to be pulling the weight up with her back rather than pushing it up with her legs...

thats my guess.

EDIT: well today I tried those Judds, or bear things...my term for them will be E.F.S
evil, f***ing, s**t...Lucky evil is addictive..

They seriously destroy you, didnt think I was THAT unfit, and I wasnt even doing the timing part, just doing as many as i could, which wasnt many.

PTC · 05-09-2009, 06:12 PM

The first pull is slow and controlled, weightlifters DO NOT use momentum off the floor, the second pull, once the bar PASSES the knees is the explosive one.

In all fairness, CrossFit is designed for cardio bunnies. I had a Crossfit instructor train with me again this morning, I spend most of the time correcting his poor form, even on dips lol. He cant clean, dip, chin or squat correctly, has little muscle, but is quite fit as long as the weights stay light.

Glad you liked the Bear, I only have one lifter who can do it with bodyweight, 2-3 around 5kg off.

breebreerocks · 05-09-2009, 07:48 PM

Interesting to hear your thoughts on Crossfit Markos. I looked into it, but was really concerned with the techniques I saw being used. Seems that just getting out as many reps in as quick a time as possible is the focus rather than doing it correctly. have done some modified Crossfit workouts- always a killer!

05-09-2009, 03:01 AM	#27 (permalink)
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05-09-2009, 11:34 AM	#28 (permalink)
trofius Active Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Rockhampton Gender: Posts: 1,830	weight lifters do the first stage the clean explosivly with their legs to get a good momentum going, they tend to have their hands much wider apart on the bar also, so the arms stay straiter. she seems to be pulling the weight up with her back rather than pushing it up with her legs... thats my guess. EDIT: well today I tried those Judds, or bear things...my term for them will be E.F.S evil, f*ing, st...Lucky evil is addictive.. They seriously destroy you, didnt think I was THAT unfit, and I wasnt even doing the timing part, just doing as many as i could, which wasnt many. __________________ Mick..yes another one there are hundreds here..! Currently 74kg, 173cm ~15%bf, 1 RM: B125, BS150, FS110 D180, MP75, PP80, PC90 6 RM: B100, BS110, FS80, D160, MP60, PP60, PC70 http://ausbb.com/member-training-dia...ys-2010-a.html Last edited by trofius; 05-09-2009 at 03:11 PM.

04-09-2009, 12:36 AM	#21 (permalink)
Josh_GTiR Guest Posts: n/a	Oh man, this shit is sounding so good. You could really smash people with that last one. I think I'll start off with the bar thanks.

04-09-2009, 01:23 PM	#23 (permalink)
Josh_GTiR Guest Posts: n/a	Fadi, is it because she doesn't jump off the ground when bringing the bar from her thighs up to her shoulders? Also, I noticed that she is not doing it in one fluid motion when it gets heavier, though it may be that she is getting tired?

04-09-2009, 10:57 PM	#25 (permalink)
Josh_GTiR Guest Posts: n/a	Maybe she is using to much arms and not enough shoulders? It would be easier to see if it was slower.

05-09-2009, 06:12 PM	#29 (permalink)
PTC Active Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Frankston Gender: Posts: 6,725	The first pull is slow and controlled, weightlifters DO NOT use momentum off the floor, the second pull, once the bar PASSES the knees is the explosive one. In all fairness, CrossFit is designed for cardio bunnies. I had a Crossfit instructor train with me again this morning, I spend most of the time correcting his poor form, even on dips lol. He cant clean, dip, chin or squat correctly, has little muscle, but is quite fit as long as the weights stay light. Glad you liked the Bear, I only have one lifter who can do it with bodyweight, 2-3 around 5kg off.

05-09-2009, 07:48 PM	#30 (permalink)
breebreerocks Elite Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sydney Gender: Posts: 668	Interesting to hear your thoughts on Crossfit Markos. I looked into it, but was really concerned with the techniques I saw being used. Seems that just getting out as many reps in as quick a time as possible is the focus rather than doing it correctly. have done some modified Crossfit workouts- always a killer!