Training my GF - Page 2 - Ausbb

AndyMitchell · 18-02-2010, 04:48 PM

Excellent.
for a training partner It's important to be there as a supportive role.
I tell people; success comes from good judgment, good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment.

I tell you- if there is ever a secret to biulding strength and health it's having a good training partner.
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hyjak · 18-02-2010, 08:18 PM

ive just started training my girlfried as well. her current program looks like this:

Military Press 3 x 8
Squat 3 x 8
Bench Press 3 x 8
Kettlebell deadlift 24kg 3 x 10

then finish with either thrusters, burpees or similar cardio.

she is extremely untrained and weak, once she develops some strength we can change it around to suit her goals.

puff · 21-02-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaucheharbor

Agreed!

My partner and I have a great time connecting when we train. I really love seeing her fiery motivation come out.

+ 1

(is there a reason that you have to type x amount of characters when you post?)

21-02-2010, 08:33 PM

To be honest I'd rather trust someone close to me with no certificates than someone thats got 200 certificates, I have 2 mates that have both done PT courses and have certiciates, both of which I walk all over when it comes to personal fitness and nutritional knowledge.

But on the same token, my gf has asked for my help before, I try to push her but when they dont have the drive within themselves it can turn get a bit messy when you try to motivate them and they just give up because they are tired/lazy,, I'v supported her for a long time regarding fitness but girls have this thing for junk food.

All I know is on the off chance I do go to a gym and I see the personal trainers that look like they havent lifted anything more than 10kgs I think its funny, but the gyms near me arent that great anyway.

I'd rather go to PCYC.

See if your gf likes boxing, I'm thinking of getting some pads & gloves to try with mine, she hits pretty hard and seems to enjoy it alot more than weights.

Kyle Aaron · 21-02-2010, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PRiMaL

To be honest I'd rather trust someone close to me with no certificates than someone thats got 200 certificates, I have 2 mates that have both done PT courses and have certiciates, both of which I walk all over when it comes to personal fitness and nutritional knowledge.

This says more about your choice in mates than the worth of qualifications.

21-02-2010, 11:40 PM

Well thats the thing, they workout hard, they have done courses, yet they still dont know how to train properly, which does NOT make sense to me, and then all the really small trainer dudes at the gyms near mine that look like all they do is cardio yet they try and "personal train" the bigger guys only reinforces that belief, dont get me wrong I know there are some really good trainers out there with first hand knowledge, those are the ones I would trust, if I ever met any =/

Kyle Aaron · 22-02-2010, 09:55 AM

Mate, school is only the beginning of your education.

You don't come straight out of trade school expecting to be a brilliant tradesperson straight away. You do the course, then go and get practical experience, get to know the industry, read a lot, talk to a lot of people more experienced than you, do a few small courses to fill in gaps, and so on.

Some people know this. Some don't. Your mates are obviously the type who don't. I saw those types in PT school, not only will they not learn much after school, they didn't learn much during it, either. They were the ones who showed up late quite a lot, had to be chased for assignments, and so on.

From what you're saying, it seems that your two mates with the PT courses are not employed as PTs. There's probably a reason for that. If employed, they are probably the ones who spend a lot of time in the office checking email, or if on the gym floor, a lot of time catching up with their bros.

School's only the beginning of your education. A sensible person tries to improve their knowledge all the time, but recognises the limits of their knowledge. For example, I would not now wander down to PTC and start trying to tell one of Markos' 200kg deadlifters how to deadlift. But if someone came in who'd never deadlifted before, and if Markos asked me to, then yeah, I can show the newbie.

In regards to improving knowledge, one thing I've found is that sometimes something looks stupid, but when you look more closely, it's not so stupid. For example, when you see trainers leading people through exercises in the gym, those exercises might seem stupid and pointless to you. But if you actually asked why they were doing these things, it might turn out there's a reason for it.

For example, you might see me in a gym training with someone, and they're doing knee pushups and bodyweight squats. You snort in derision - surely I should be putting them under a bar? Well, it turns out that the person can only do 3-5 knee pushups, how much do you think they could bench? Maybe better to get them to about 20 full pushups first. And their squat, well if they can't do one well with no weight on their back, what's going to happen to them if we whack a bar on their back? So we improve their form first. And it turns out that person has half a dozen health issues which means that we want to take it slow and steady.

But given time, they will get under the bar. Remember that 90% of new gym members quit within 3 months. That means that at any time in the gym, most of the people are unfit beginners. So they need the basics first.

Yes, a lot of trainers are idiots. Lots cruise through the courses and get jobs anyway. But reasonably often, when something looks stupid, if you take the trouble to ask about it, it turns out not to be stupid after all.

Realising that is how you keep learning after school finishes, or even learn despite no schooling. Lots don't realise it, which is why you get people who assume all PTs are stupid, and at the same time why many PTs are stupid.

Saying that because many PTs are stupid there is no sense in having a professional train your girlfriend and do it yourself is like saying that because many restaurants are crap you should just cook for her yourself. Well, that depends on how good a cook you are. A lot of the time you'd be better off just finding a good restaurant. She deserves better than grilled chops and boiled vegies.

In any case, I didn't say it has to be a PT training them. I said a qualified or experienced person. This could be a PT, a strength and conditioning coach, someone who's been going to the gym for years and obviously knows their sht, whatever. And I said it should be someone not involved intimately with them. A parent-child relationship is alright for training, because it's partly teacher-student already. But brothers and spouses and so on, usually it's a bad idea. There are occasionally people who can handle it. but they're a minority.

AndyMitchell · 22-02-2010, 10:43 AM

I never give advice unless I am first asked and then I might or might not.

One thing I have learnt over the years Kyle is that we live in a society of "want it now" with the least amount of effort.
Lifting is a lifestyle and the only test one must pass is the test of time.
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k_21 · 22-02-2010, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRiMaL

To be honest I'd rather trust someone close to me with no certificates than someone thats got 200 certificates, I have 2 mates that have both done PT courses and have certiciates, both of which I walk all over when it comes to personal fitness and nutritional knowledge.

All good points.

I would expand and say that with any discipline to find
someone who's 'walked the path and got the
results you want'.. As they will know far more
than anyone (with / or without) formal qualifications.

Hence I'm here asking all you learned folks on this
forum.

22-02-2010, 08:04 PM

I already know there are people at lower levels of fitness that need to start with simple exercises to get going, I was more pointing at the "educated" PT's that try and train people bigger than they are.

I wasnt having a go at all PT's in general if you look at my post =P

I guess its sortof the same reason I dislike teachers that teach from textbook and act like their smarter than all their students in their given subject yet have little or no first hand knowledge. i.e. They scold a student misbehaving and say you need an education to get somewhere in life, yet actual teaching doesnt require years of study to qualify. Some require none at all.

You seen the gyms with PT's that are in their early 20's and they are up in the weights room spotting a dude pressing DB's they couldnt lift with both arms? lol

Anywho enough of that, regards to your post kyle I totally agree with you and I do understand that PT's do train newbies, I never mentioned beginners with PT's being a problem, it makes more sense to me when I see a young trainer with an older, unfit guy that looks like he's never done any training in his life.

It could just be my area..

18-02-2010, 08:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
hyjak Active Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Melbourne Gender: Posts: 1,876	ive just started training my girlfried as well. her current program looks like this: Military Press 3 x 8 Squat 3 x 8 Bench Press 3 x 8 Kettlebell deadlift 24kg 3 x 10 then finish with either thrusters, burpees or similar cardio. she is extremely untrained and weak, once she develops some strength we can change it around to suit her goals. __________________ Resident Reese's addict - powered by peanut butter cups

22-02-2010, 09:55 AM	#17 (permalink)
Kyle Aaron Active Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Gender: Posts: 3,682	Mate, school is only the beginning of your education. You don't come straight out of trade school expecting to be a brilliant tradesperson straight away. You do the course, then go and get practical experience, get to know the industry, read a lot, talk to a lot of people more experienced than you, do a few small courses to fill in gaps, and so on. Some people know this. Some don't. Your mates are obviously the type who don't. I saw those types in PT school, not only will they not learn much after school, they didn't learn much during it, either. They were the ones who showed up late quite a lot, had to be chased for assignments, and so on. From what you're saying, it seems that your two mates with the PT courses are not employed as PTs. There's probably a reason for that. If employed, they are probably the ones who spend a lot of time in the office checking email, or if on the gym floor, a lot of time catching up with their bros. School's only the beginning of your education. A sensible person tries to improve their knowledge all the time, but recognises the limits of their knowledge. For example, I would not now wander down to PTC and start trying to tell one of Markos' 200kg deadlifters how to deadlift. But if someone came in who'd never deadlifted before, and if Markos asked me to, then yeah, I can show the newbie. In regards to improving knowledge, one thing I've found is that sometimes something looks stupid, but when you look more closely, it's not so stupid. For example, when you see trainers leading people through exercises in the gym, those exercises might seem stupid and pointless to you. But if you actually asked why they were doing these things, it might turn out there's a reason for it. For example, you might see me in a gym training with someone, and they're doing knee pushups and bodyweight squats. You snort in derision - surely I should be putting them under a bar? Well, it turns out that the person can only do 3-5 knee pushups, how much do you think they could bench? Maybe better to get them to about 20 full pushups first. And their squat, well if they can't do one well with no weight on their back, what's going to happen to them if we whack a bar on their back? So we improve their form first. And it turns out that person has half a dozen health issues which means that we want to take it slow and steady. But given time, they will get under the bar. Remember that 90% of new gym members quit within 3 months. That means that at any time in the gym, most of the people are unfit beginners. So they need the basics first. Yes, a lot of trainers are idiots. Lots cruise through the courses and get jobs anyway. But reasonably often, when something looks stupid, if you take the trouble to ask about it, it turns out not to be stupid after all. Realising that is how you keep learning after school finishes, or even learn despite no schooling. Lots don't realise it, which is why you get people who assume all PTs are stupid, and at the same time why many PTs are stupid. Saying that because many PTs are stupid there is no sense in having a professional train your girlfriend and do it yourself is like saying that because many restaurants are crap you should just cook for her yourself. Well, that depends on how good a cook you are. A lot of the time you'd be better off just finding a good restaurant. She deserves better than grilled chops and boiled vegies. In any case, I didn't say it has to be a PT training them. I said a qualified or experienced person. This could be a PT, a strength and conditioning coach, someone who's been going to the gym for years and obviously knows their sht, whatever. And I said it should be someone not involved intimately with them. A parent-child relationship is alright for training, because it's partly teacher-student already. But brothers and spouses and so on, usually it's a bad idea. There are occasionally people who can handle it. but they're a minority. __________________ Recent clients' best results: BW +10kg/-27kg ... BF-11% ... ♀/♂1RM/kg SQ65/145 OHP30/65 DL75/170 "fitness and lifting is just an interest I have. Plain and simple. Some people like music, others like shopping, I like deadlifts." - a client[/SIZE] Last edited by Kyle Aaron; 22-02-2010 at 10:02 AM.

18-02-2010, 04:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
AndyMitchell Active Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: As close as the restraining order allows Gender: Posts: 3,104	Excellent. for a training partner It's important to be there as a supportive role. I tell people; success comes from good judgment, good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment. I tell you- if there is ever a secret to biulding strength and health it's having a good training partner. Posted via Mobile Device

21-02-2010, 08:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
PRiMaL Guest Posts: n/a	To be honest I'd rather trust someone close to me with no certificates than someone thats got 200 certificates, I have 2 mates that have both done PT courses and have certiciates, both of which I walk all over when it comes to personal fitness and nutritional knowledge. But on the same token, my gf has asked for my help before, I try to push her but when they dont have the drive within themselves it can turn get a bit messy when you try to motivate them and they just give up because they are tired/lazy,, I'v supported her for a long time regarding fitness but girls have this thing for junk food. All I know is on the off chance I do go to a gym and I see the personal trainers that look like they havent lifted anything more than 10kgs I think its funny, but the gyms near me arent that great anyway. I'd rather go to PCYC. See if your gf likes boxing, I'm thinking of getting some pads & gloves to try with mine, she hits pretty hard and seems to enjoy it alot more than weights.

21-02-2010, 11:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
PRiMaL Guest Posts: n/a	Well thats the thing, they workout hard, they have done courses, yet they still dont know how to train properly, which does NOT make sense to me, and then all the really small trainer dudes at the gyms near mine that look like all they do is cardio yet they try and "personal train" the bigger guys only reinforces that belief, dont get me wrong I know there are some really good trainers out there with first hand knowledge, those are the ones I would trust, if I ever met any =/

22-02-2010, 10:43 AM	#18 (permalink)
AndyMitchell Active Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: As close as the restraining order allows Gender: Posts: 3,104	I never give advice unless I am first asked and then I might or might not. One thing I have learnt over the years Kyle is that we live in a society of "want it now" with the least amount of effort. Lifting is a lifestyle and the only test one must pass is the test of time. Posted via Mobile Device

22-02-2010, 08:04 PM	#20 (permalink)
PRiMaL Guest Posts: n/a	I already know there are people at lower levels of fitness that need to start with simple exercises to get going, I was more pointing at the "educated" PT's that try and train people bigger than they are. I wasnt having a go at all PT's in general if you look at my post =P I guess its sortof the same reason I dislike teachers that teach from textbook and act like their smarter than all their students in their given subject yet have little or no first hand knowledge. i.e. They scold a student misbehaving and say you need an education to get somewhere in life, yet actual teaching doesnt require years of study to qualify. Some require none at all. You seen the gyms with PT's that are in their early 20's and they are up in the weights room spotting a dude pressing DB's they couldnt lift with both arms? lol Anywho enough of that, regards to your post kyle I totally agree with you and I do understand that PT's do train newbies, I never mentioned beginners with PT's being a problem, it makes more sense to me when I see a young trainer with an older, unfit guy that looks like he's never done any training in his life. It could just be my area..