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NPR · 11-12-2009, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PTC

This is a true indication of athletic ability. Eventually they may bench more, but most only dream about putting their best bench overhead, and its not like theyre weak benches.

I'd say its simply down to how you train. I could show you a gym full of guys who could only dream of benching what they put overhead.

PTC · 11-12-2009, 01:55 PM

But they dont bench Nick, because benching is not one of their events.

In commercial gyms, everyone benches and most press overhead.

In my gym alone, everyone attempts that, but it takes great athletic ability to put more overhead than laying down if you train BOTH lifts.

I didnt mention powerlifters for that reason, they specialize in their competition lifts, as do Olympic lifters.

Kyle Aaron · 11-12-2009, 01:55 PM

If you just put stuff overhead and never benched for a year, you would probably put more overhead than you could bench.

Wasn't that Max for a while?

Just like all those guys who bench more than they can squat. Training.

Edit, woops, cross-posted with Markos, makes my post redundant as usual

AndyMitchell · 11-12-2009, 03:34 PM

If all you did is press you'd probably have shoulders that resembled the sound of Velcro.
Shoulders are a tricky one.

PTC · 11-12-2009, 03:36 PM

Probably should be in another thread, but if a lifter trains each lift equally, and can put more weight overhead than the bench, this shows me they have more athletic ability.

Just an observation.

trofius · 12-12-2009, 11:48 PM

c&pp, C&J how many can military press >= to their bench?

It not like you can get any momentum from a bench..its is a fair bit different I recon.

But still good efforts. just to get those weights above their head.

PTC · 13-12-2009, 02:59 PM

Your lifts are a great example.

Forget the overhead bit, your clean is 45kg down on your bench alone. I was similar to you, except an even larger gap lol. Mine was due to practicing the BP for 25 years and the clean for just over 2 years or so. One of my biggest regrets, I simply didnt know better.

I have quite a few lifters who can clean more than they bench, that is a much more achievable lift, and one that anyone with any athletic ability should be able to achieve.

You are correct though about the MP. Nobody should be able to MP what they BP, and I dont know anyone that can.

the reason I spoke about the PP and jerk is because those lifts require athletic ability, not just braced static strength.

trofius · 13-12-2009, 04:58 PM

Yes I soppose i am a great example only doing bench, shoulders, bis when younger, at least my deads have overtaken and are starting to walk away from my bench.

I have only ever done cleans with any purpose once,....ever...i was pretty happy with that as a first attempt.

I can really see what you mean about them being a lift that requires technique, and an athletic ability they rock your body,,,when I did it it killed my forarms for a week.

I soppose when you think about it its why the C&J and Snatch are the olympic lifts, they not only require strength, but practiced and perfected skills.

PTC · 21-12-2009, 11:22 PM

Dimi has been at PTC for 3 weeks now, never lifted before.

Tonight she benched 47.5kg
She deadlifted 120kg
She bench squatted 80kg x 3

Brittany C&P my 30kg keg
Brittany standing pressed 20kg x 1 DB's

Emma attempted a 122.5kg deadlift, she locked it out but lost her balance - no lift lol

PTC · 27-12-2009, 03:06 PM

Annie benched 65kg on Saturday.

She becomes the 3rd girl to total 400kg at PTC

She also C&P my 30kg keg

11-12-2009, 01:55 PM	#83 (permalink)
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11-12-2009, 03:34 PM	#84 (permalink)
AndyMitchell Active Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: As close as the restraining order allows Gender: Posts: 3,104	If all you did is press you'd probably have shoulders that resembled the sound of Velcro. Shoulders are a tricky one. __________________ as long as you keep doing what you're doing, you're going to keep getting what you're getting.

12-12-2009, 11:48 PM	#86 (permalink)
trofius Active Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Rockhampton Gender: Posts: 1,830	c&pp, C&J how many can military press >= to their bench? It not like you can get any momentum from a bench..its is a fair bit different I recon. But still good efforts. just to get those weights above their head. __________________ Mick..yes another one there are hundreds here..! Currently 74kg, 173cm ~15%bf, 1 RM: B125, BS150, FS110 D180, MP75, PP80, PC90 6 RM: B100, BS110, FS80, D160, MP60, PP60, PC70 http://ausbb.com/member-training-dia...ys-2010-a.html

13-12-2009, 04:58 PM	#88 (permalink)
trofius Active Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Rockhampton Gender: Posts: 1,830	Yes I soppose i am a great example only doing bench, shoulders, bis when younger, at least my deads have overtaken and are starting to walk away from my bench. I have only ever done cleans with any purpose once,....ever...i was pretty happy with that as a first attempt. I can really see what you mean about them being a lift that requires technique, and an athletic ability they rock your body,,,when I did it it killed my forarms for a week. I soppose when you think about it its why the C&J and Snatch are the olympic lifts, they not only require strength, but practiced and perfected skills. __________________ Mick..yes another one there are hundreds here..! Currently 74kg, 173cm ~15%bf, 1 RM: B125, BS150, FS110 D180, MP75, PP80, PC90 6 RM: B100, BS110, FS80, D160, MP60, PP60, PC70 http://ausbb.com/member-training-dia...ys-2010-a.html

11-12-2009, 01:55 PM	#82 (permalink)
PTC Active Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Frankston Gender: Posts: 6,725	But they dont bench Nick, because benching is not one of their events. In commercial gyms, everyone benches and most press overhead. In my gym alone, everyone attempts that, but it takes great athletic ability to put more overhead than laying down if you train BOTH lifts. I didnt mention powerlifters for that reason, they specialize in their competition lifts, as do Olympic lifters.

11-12-2009, 03:36 PM	#85 (permalink)
PTC Active Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Frankston Gender: Posts: 6,725	Probably should be in another thread, but if a lifter trains each lift equally, and can put more weight overhead than the bench, this shows me they have more athletic ability. Just an observation.

13-12-2009, 02:59 PM	#87 (permalink)
PTC Active Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Frankston Gender: Posts: 6,725	Your lifts are a great example. Forget the overhead bit, your clean is 45kg down on your bench alone. I was similar to you, except an even larger gap lol. Mine was due to practicing the BP for 25 years and the clean for just over 2 years or so. One of my biggest regrets, I simply didnt know better. I have quite a few lifters who can clean more than they bench, that is a much more achievable lift, and one that anyone with any athletic ability should be able to achieve. You are correct though about the MP. Nobody should be able to MP what they BP, and I dont know anyone that can. the reason I spoke about the PP and jerk is because those lifts require athletic ability, not just braced static strength.

21-12-2009, 11:22 PM	#89 (permalink)
PTC Active Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Frankston Gender: Posts: 6,725	Dimi has been at PTC for 3 weeks now, never lifted before. Tonight she benched 47.5kg She deadlifted 120kg She bench squatted 80kg x 3 Brittany C&P my 30kg keg Brittany standing pressed 20kg x 1 DB's Emma attempted a 122.5kg deadlift, she locked it out but lost her balance - no lift lol

27-12-2009, 03:06 PM	#90 (permalink)
PTC Active Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Frankston Gender: Posts: 6,725	Annie benched 65kg on Saturday. She becomes the 3rd girl to total 400kg at PTC She also C&P my 30kg keg