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Old 04-03-2010, 11:08 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Australia is an English speaking country by default only.Tell him to F#$K himself.
I know how you feel.I am a minority in a terribly narrow minded country where i can`t even get a credit card.If someone says "Speak Japanese" to me I say, "Why?Do you want to join the conversation?".If they answer no I tell them to eff off.
These freakin (in Oz) tools drive their Japanese cars running on middle eastern oil,have a house full of Chinese made goods and wear foreign brands.Ask them how far they are prepared to go with their convictions.
I have never met a bigot who can present a good argument to support their opinion.In fact,I have more respect for white supremacy groups (even though I loathe them) who stand by what they say and think.
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:11 AM   #12 (permalink)
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My parents are the most racist people I know, and all I'm reduced to now is asking, "What drives your fear?" They can never answer me.

I'm glad you responded to the racist boor's feedback, but I'm equally glad there wasn't a gang of redneck cretins surrounding him who might have responded.

I wish I had seen George Michael as the feedback has been amazing. I missed Faith No More last week as well, which I'm smacking myself over the head about.
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:22 AM   #13 (permalink)
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national pride and automatic hatred / fear of others do not necessarily go hand and hand.
These days they do.

National pride is a ridiculous sentiment anyway.

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Actually, I retract that. Because upon thinking about this, it isn't what I typed. This little bit of editing you've done alters my point.

But I stand by my statement that Nationalism is ridiculous.

Anyway, this isn't the time or place to discuss it in such detail and to be honest, I don't care because let's face it, you are just a user name on a screen to me as I am to you. We could just be trolling each other for all we know.

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Old 04-03-2010, 11:24 AM   #14 (permalink)
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National pride and patriotism are vastly different from nationalism and elitism.
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:30 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Nationalism, National Pride, Patriotism. They are all ridiculous concepts used to control and manipulate people. They are all just a step or two shy of racism.

Why should you feel so strongly about a bit of ground your past relatives invaded or moved to and you were born on?

Anyway this is my last post in this thread. Read above - not the time or place.

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Ok I couldn't help myself, so this is my very last post in here.

They aren't vastly different and if you think so, you need to look within and ask some questions.

Please look up the meaning of nationalism:

na·tion·al·ism   [nash-uh-nl-iz-uhm, nash-nuh-liz-] Show IPA
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1.
national spirit or aspirations.
2.
devotion and loyalty to one's own nation; patriotism.


All masking tools to propagate another's personal agenda.

The idea that nationalism is good, is like saying socialism would work. Both have been proven wrong. Do you want the ultimate example? the NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY.

Ok I'm seriously leaving now. lol

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Old 04-03-2010, 11:45 AM   #16 (permalink)
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If he was sitting in front of you, then you had the perfect opportunity to get him in a rear naked choke while he was unaware.

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Old 04-03-2010, 11:47 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I used to cop it all the time before i started training in the teens. Being of viet/chinese descent and born here im as aussie as the next person. Still after i started training and sported big 20 inch guns (im dreaming here LOL) people never said anything to my face. Then again u hear em say "thats a big asian"

moral of the story get bigger guns!!!

lol, dealt with it a fair bit in primary school (lived in a predominately italian community back then)

pretty much stopped when I snapped one day and knocked one of my tormentors out cold
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:49 AM   #18 (permalink)
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A country is like a family. All good families have some pride in themselves. However, some families are welcoming of new members, some aren't. Just think when someone marries into a family - there's always some dickhead who decides they don't like them, but the family as a whole can be all "they're not good enough for us!" or "welcome! now you're one of us!"

Pride doesn't have to become arrogance, and a family or country can be inclusive or exclusive.

I prefer inclusive families, and want my country to inclusive, too. There's a reason my wife and I chose to live in the southeastern suburbs, with Jews, Greeks, Indians, Sri Lankans, Sudanese, Maori, Vietnamese, Chinese, and so on. We like that.

I wouldn't want to live in a country where everyone is the same. That's like those families where the elders are so suspicious of everyone outside the family they get the cousins to marry, and would get the brothers and sisters to marry, too, if they could.

Unless you're Aboriginal, we're all migrants to this country. We are all "New Australians."

Now comes my crusty old bloke and conservative moment: as a soldier, I had to be prepared to put my life on the line for my country, for people who were strangers and had different coloured skin, different language and faith and culture. I did not swear an oath to protect some drunken bogan's right to abuse someone with darker skin than him. It was an oath to protect out Commonwealth, our common well-being and community. "Commonwealth" comes not from "wealth" in the sense of money, but "weal" - the good. Our commonwealth is our common good.

You will notice that the drunken abusers of people speaking other languages do not have a history of service to their country, of contributing to the common good. They have not served in the armed forces, the police, ambulance, carers for elderly or disabled. They are not Scout leaders or organisers of bake sales to fix the church roof, nor are they teachers, still less are they dedicated parents to their children, if any. They are drunken bums who never even apply for jobs so they could at least pay some taxes. They contribute nothing to our common wealth and well-being.

So to hell with them.
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:52 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Nationalism, National Pride, Patriotism. They are all ridiculous concepts used to control and manipulate people. They are all just a step or two shy of racism.

Why should you feel so strongly about a bit of ground your past relatives invaded or moved to and you were born on?

Anyway this is my last post in this thread. Read above - not the time or place.

EDIT:

Ok I couldn't help myself, so this is my very last post in here.

They aren't vastly different and if you think so, you need to look within and ask some questions.

Please look up the meaning of nationalism:

na·tion·al·ism   [nash-uh-nl-iz-uhm, nash-nuh-liz-] Show IPA
–noun
1.
national spirit or aspirations.
2.
devotion and loyalty to one's own nation; patriotism.


All masking tools to propagate another's personal agenda.

The idea that nationalism is good, is like saying socialism would work. Both have been proven wrong. Do you want the ultimate example? the NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY.

Ok I'm seriously leaving now. lol
Dictionary meanings mate.In real life the nuances can be quite different.

e.g. "Your a dick"
"Huh??!!I`m a male reproductive organ"
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:05 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I'm also an immigrant (of 9 years, Viet background) and I've heard it all, so I have sharp comebacks to pretty much everything. They're dumb arses so it's easy to screw with their heads.
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