Novice strength program - Page 2 - Ausbb

Fadi · 22-05-2010, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RhysG

Hey Fadi, my name is actually Rhys so no surprise there (prefer using my real name).

Thank you and sorry Rhys, I just never heard of that name before, my mistake.

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Mostly I've just been concerned with weight loss but am more interested in strength/muscle gains now that I've shed a fair amount of flab.

Just great, because we're on the same page here. I would have said if your intention was to lose some fat mass, then start to think about building some muscles because that would take care of speeding up your metabolism since fat burns in the furnace of muscles; the more muscles to fat ratio you have , the more fat you will lose and the faster your metabolism would be and so it goes.

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PS I love body weight exercises but how would you incorporate them into that sorta program? Substitute bench for purshup every 2nd week or something?

Please do take a look over here Rhys: Building the ultimate muscle machine: move your body through space. Program #1.

All the very best to you.

Fadi.

RhysG · 22-05-2010, 03:48 PM

What's the likelihood of a PT at a normal gym (not centred on strength training) coaching my power clean to perfection ('cos that's the only way I would want to do it - too hard to replicate from videos). Maybe a good strength training gym in the Northern Suburbs? I'm certain I read of one in Footscray on here but I can't find it. However, I live in Coburg so bit annoying by public transport... maybe I'll con a mate into driving lol.

dave · 22-05-2010, 04:43 PM

Unless you can magically find a good PT I doubt it. The gym in footscray is Apollo Gym. You can learn from videos etc practice and then record yourself then evaluate. It's not perfect but if you can not find anything then that may be all you have.
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Oli · 23-05-2010, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JDizzle

Also Mark Rippetoe reckons to bite the bullet and learn how to powerclean, he reckons they are superior to rows in his program, something about developing power

rippetoe is full of shit sometimes.

dave · 23-05-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver04

rippetoe is full of shit sometimes.

Dude watch yourself someone one on the net will come looking for you!

I love powercleans and learnt them myself through videos and descriptions, they are not too hard to learn but take a bit of practice to get right. I also got lessons from one of my lecturers at Uni though later on so that helped a little too in 'perfecting' them.

PowerBuilder · 23-05-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dave

Dude watch yourself someone one on the net will come looking for you!

I love powercleans and learnt them myself through videos and descriptions, they are not too hard to learn but take a bit of practice to get right. I also got lessons from one of my lecturers at Uni though later on so that helped a little too in 'perfecting' them.

Ya' know what Dave, I think you're both right AND wrong about cleans there. On one hand, it's not a hard concept, take the weight from the floor to your' shoulders. It's not rocket science. On the other hand, i think that as you get heavier & heavier you'll need to improve your technique, which IMO is quite complex....and can't possibly be taught correctly via books &/or video

dave · 23-05-2010, 09:15 PM

Yep I agree, if you are really getting into them you will need someone to coach you as technique becomes very important.

PTC · 23-05-2010, 09:59 PM

Guess what. Max cleaned 115kg at less than 70kg bodyweight, all via reading and watching, is that heavy enough for you.

There is no doubt he could clean well over 120kg currently at his 77kg bodyweight.

He can hang clean 100kg for reps, cold.

He has read my books and watched YouTube.

Thats the extent of his coaching.

There are no absolutes in weight training.

Oli · 23-05-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dave

Dude watch yourself someone one on the net will come looking for you!

I love powercleans and learnt them myself through videos and descriptions, they are not too hard to learn but take a bit of practice to get right. I also got lessons from one of my lecturers at Uni though later on so that helped a little too in 'perfecting' them.

I used to be right up rippetoes ass on this one (along with his 'gomad' bs) its utter crap.

The power clean has no carryover to the deadlift or bench, the bent row does, and it will also do a waaay better job for mass (which most of us start off training for)

Rippetoe picked the power clean as his 'core' exercise because he thought it would have a carry over to 'building power/speed'. theres no such thing as 'speed' work though.

also doing the power clean would warrant new and expensive equipment (olympic bar + bumpers) for one exercise. Yeah, I've heard about dropping your power cleans on your legs but this sounds like a dumb idea once 100kg+ is on the bar.

Not exactly 'practical programming' hey?

PowerBuilder · 23-05-2010, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PTC

Guess what. Max cleaned 115kg at less than 70kg bodyweight, all via reading and watching, is that heavy enough for you.

There is no doubt he could clean well over 120kg currently at his 77kg bodyweight.

He can hang clean 100kg for reps, cold.

He has read my books and watched YouTube.

Thats the extent of his coaching.

There are no absolutes in weight training.

isn't there enough marketing about your gym & Max on this site? To every rule, there's always going to be an exception. The fact that Max has read & watched alot, as well as training along side of yourself, makes your argument makes no sense

22-05-2010, 03:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
RhysG Rookie Join Date: May 2010 Gender: Posts: 25	What's the likelihood of a PT at a normal gym (not centred on strength training) coaching my power clean to perfection ('cos that's the only way I would want to do it - too hard to replicate from videos). Maybe a good strength training gym in the Northern Suburbs? I'm certain I read of one in Footscray on here but I can't find it. However, I live in Coburg so bit annoying by public transport... maybe I'll con a mate into driving lol.

22-05-2010, 04:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
dave Active Member July10MOTM Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Gender: Posts: 4,803	Unless you can magically find a good PT I doubt it. The gym in footscray is Apollo Gym. You can learn from videos etc practice and then record yourself then evaluate. It's not perfect but if you can not find anything then that may be all you have. Posted via Mobile Device

23-05-2010, 09:15 PM	#17 (permalink)
dave Active Member July10MOTM Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Gender: Posts: 4,803	Yep I agree, if you are really getting into them you will need someone to coach you as technique becomes very important.

23-05-2010, 09:59 PM	#18 (permalink)
PTC Active Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Frankston Gender: Posts: 6,725	Guess what. Max cleaned 115kg at less than 70kg bodyweight, all via reading and watching, is that heavy enough for you. There is no doubt he could clean well over 120kg currently at his 77kg bodyweight. He can hang clean 100kg for reps, cold. He has read my books and watched YouTube. Thats the extent of his coaching. There are no absolutes in weight training.