0ni
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Butt Wink Is Not About the Hamstrings DeanSomerset.com
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Great article
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Butt wink is not about the hamstrings
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WoodyAllen
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Um. No. Its the hammies. Or it least, its tight hammies in most cases. I've seen too many instant butt wink cures by hammy stretches to be convinced otherwise.
SydVicious
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Great article, I was told I had a slight butt wink a while back... and guess what my hamstrings are flexible as.
My hips are the problem, went through a heap of different stretching and got on to box squats and it has helped a lot... But reading that article maybe I'm just not born to squat deep
haha!
Thanks for the article!
My hips are the problem, went through a heap of different stretching and got on to box squats and it has helped a lot... But reading that article maybe I'm just not born to squat deep
haha!Thanks for the article!
WoodyAllen
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WoodyAllen
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Ok. So as to not be a complete dickwad, I have read the article. I want 15min of my life back. It's horseshit.
First off, it acknowledges, continuously, even if it is in a backhanded manner, that stretching out your hams will help alleviate buttwink. However, it places most of the blame on skeletal limits of the hip socket. If that were a real problem, no one with those issues would be able to squat, unweighted, "like a chinaman (no racial slur intended, Asians just can squat like on one else). Also, having bone on bone would have you, pretty quickly, in agony. That's what arthritis is.
The article uses lots and lots of big strange words so it must be true. Ooooops. No. It's horseshit.
Granted, tight hamstrings are not the only issue that causes buttwink. There are other muscles at the top of the pelvis that may be very weak (part of that vague thing referred to as "the core") allowing the pelvis to tilt. in that case, no matter how flexible your hams are, once you get a load on you will get that tilt. It's like the old 2 man (feminazis can call them 2 person) band saw. If one guy does not do his part, the saw gets stuck. You gotta have both ends working properly.
Yes, the hams do, it appears, work different to similar muscles like the biceps. But they are still muscles and still work under tension. That's what muscles do. So having hams that are tight will obviously cause some sort of issue.
Now, another point that the article totally missed was that there is a difference between tight and flexible. A big difference. You can have people who can not only touch their toes but put their palms on the floor with locked knees. They are flexible. That does not mean that their hams are not tight. It just means that they, as a total unit, are flexible. You can be flexible but still have tight hams. You can do a full arse to grass squat, weighted or unweighted, but still have tight quads. Tightness does not necessarily mean inflexible.
As I said previously, I have personally seen severe buttwink either disappear completely or be greatly alleviate by gentle, persistant hamstring stretches. Do a stretch between every warm up set and between every work set and you will find, in most cases, that the problem is resolved. If you do this persistently over weeks and months, you will find that you have fewer problems.
If you do have a problem (weakness) with the muscles attached to the upper edge of the pelvis (the hammies are attached to the bottom edge) then no matter what you do with the hammies you will still get that tilt.
The article suffers from the normal bullshititis that plagues the interwebs. You get a web site or blog running and, in order to survive, you have to post regular, even daily, articles. Otherwise you end up with a stagnant cesspool of a site like Jim Wendler's. So you gotta fill that gap with stuff like tempo training, get huge in 4 weeks or Buttwink is not about the hams. Like T-nation.
If you can rock back without getting buttwink then its not hams? Sure as shit aint hips either.
I'm more than happy to be pounded into the ground and proven wrong. But from my experience, dat aint gonna happen.
Ooh. Bat signal is up again. Gotta go. The city needs me.
First off, it acknowledges, continuously, even if it is in a backhanded manner, that stretching out your hams will help alleviate buttwink. However, it places most of the blame on skeletal limits of the hip socket. If that were a real problem, no one with those issues would be able to squat, unweighted, "like a chinaman (no racial slur intended, Asians just can squat like on one else). Also, having bone on bone would have you, pretty quickly, in agony. That's what arthritis is.
The article uses lots and lots of big strange words so it must be true. Ooooops. No. It's horseshit.
Granted, tight hamstrings are not the only issue that causes buttwink. There are other muscles at the top of the pelvis that may be very weak (part of that vague thing referred to as "the core") allowing the pelvis to tilt. in that case, no matter how flexible your hams are, once you get a load on you will get that tilt. It's like the old 2 man (feminazis can call them 2 person) band saw. If one guy does not do his part, the saw gets stuck. You gotta have both ends working properly.
Yes, the hams do, it appears, work different to similar muscles like the biceps. But they are still muscles and still work under tension. That's what muscles do. So having hams that are tight will obviously cause some sort of issue.
Now, another point that the article totally missed was that there is a difference between tight and flexible. A big difference. You can have people who can not only touch their toes but put their palms on the floor with locked knees. They are flexible. That does not mean that their hams are not tight. It just means that they, as a total unit, are flexible. You can be flexible but still have tight hams. You can do a full arse to grass squat, weighted or unweighted, but still have tight quads. Tightness does not necessarily mean inflexible.
As I said previously, I have personally seen severe buttwink either disappear completely or be greatly alleviate by gentle, persistant hamstring stretches. Do a stretch between every warm up set and between every work set and you will find, in most cases, that the problem is resolved. If you do this persistently over weeks and months, you will find that you have fewer problems.
If you do have a problem (weakness) with the muscles attached to the upper edge of the pelvis (the hammies are attached to the bottom edge) then no matter what you do with the hammies you will still get that tilt.
The article suffers from the normal bullshititis that plagues the interwebs. You get a web site or blog running and, in order to survive, you have to post regular, even daily, articles. Otherwise you end up with a stagnant cesspool of a site like Jim Wendler's. So you gotta fill that gap with stuff like tempo training, get huge in 4 weeks or Buttwink is not about the hams. Like T-nation.
If you can rock back without getting buttwink then its not hams? Sure as shit aint hips either.
I'm more than happy to be pounded into the ground and proven wrong. But from my experience, dat aint gonna happen.
Ooh. Bat signal is up again. Gotta go. The city needs me.
WoodyAllen
Well-known member
Love it.
Goosey
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It's not one thing or the other ffs.
The squat is pretty amazing, there's a whole lot of things going on, and to a beginner It's not surprising that shit happens with the increased range of motion of joints.
You're taking them (under load) to places where they not have been before. (Or not for a long time.)
Start light and take your time to adjust is my mantra.
The squat is pretty amazing, there's a whole lot of things going on, and to a beginner It's not surprising that shit happens with the increased range of motion of joints.
You're taking them (under load) to places where they not have been before. (Or not for a long time.)
Start light and take your time to adjust is my mantra.
0ni
Registered Rustler
Ok. So as to not be a complete dickwad, I have read the article. I want 15min of my life back. It's horseshit.
First off, it acknowledges, continuously, even if it is in a backhanded manner, that stretching out your hams will help alleviate buttwink. However, it places most of the blame on skeletal limits of the hip socket. If that were a real problem, no one with those issues would be able to squat, unweighted, "like a chinaman (no racial slur intended, Asians just can squat like on one else). Also, having bone on bone would have you, pretty quickly, in agony. That's what arthritis is.
The article uses lots and lots of big strange words so it must be true. Ooooops. No. It's horseshit.
Granted, tight hamstrings are not the only issue that causes buttwink. There are other muscles at the top of the pelvis that may be very weak (part of that vague thing referred to as "the core") allowing the pelvis to tilt. in that case, no matter how flexible your hams are, once you get a load on you will get that tilt. It's like the old 2 man (feminazis can call them 2 person) band saw. If one guy does not do his part, the saw gets stuck. You gotta have both ends working properly.
Yes, the hams do, it appears, work different to similar muscles like the biceps. But they are still muscles and still work under tension. That's what muscles do. So having hams that are tight will obviously cause some sort of issue.
Now, another point that the article totally missed was that there is a difference between tight and flexible. A big difference. You can have people who can not only touch their toes but put their palms on the floor with locked knees. They are flexible. That does not mean that their hams are not tight. It just means that they, as a total unit, are flexible. You can be flexible but still have tight hams. You can do a full arse to grass squat, weighted or unweighted, but still have tight quads. Tightness does not necessarily mean inflexible.
As I said previously, I have personally seen severe buttwink either disappear completely or be greatly alleviate by gentle, persistant hamstring stretches. Do a stretch between every warm up set and between every work set and you will find, in most cases, that the problem is resolved. If you do this persistently over weeks and months, you will find that you have fewer problems.
If you do have a problem (weakness) with the muscles attached to the upper edge of the pelvis (the hammies are attached to the bottom edge) then no matter what you do with the hammies you will still get that tilt.
The article suffers from the normal bullshititis that plagues the interwebs. You get a web site or blog running and, in order to survive, you have to post regular, even daily, articles. Otherwise you end up with a stagnant cesspool of a site like Jim Wendler's. So you gotta fill that gap with stuff like tempo training, get huge in 4 weeks or Buttwink is not about the hams. Like T-nation.
If you can rock back without getting buttwink then its not hams? Sure as shit aint hips either.
I'm more than happy to be pounded into the ground and proven wrong. But from my experience, dat aint gonna happen.
Ooh. Bat signal is up again. Gotta go. The city needs me.
You somehow managed to not address any of the points made by the article
vonfram88
Active member
Maybe they don’t have the stability at that position of their squat? If they only have 2 feet on the ground that’s a much less stable position than hanging from a TRX or handle, and much less stable front to back than if they were to hold a dumbbell in a goblet position and squat to a box.
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