Milos Sarcev's Pre/Intra/Post workout "shakes"

[Rugby88]

Followed Milos a fair bit over the years - done this giant set training etc - he has always been very "tactical" with his supplement timings - check out his pre/intra/post workout shakes....

Pre workout
3-10g Creatine
3-10g Glutamine
15-20g Essential Amino Acids
15g BCAA
30-50 Vitargo
1tsp electrolyte drink powder

During Workout
3-5g Creatine
3-10g Glutamine
15-20g Essential Amino Acids
15g BCAA
50 Vitargo
1tsp electrolyte drink powder


Post Workout
3-5g Creatine
3-10g Glutamine
40-50g Whey
50-75 Vitargo
1tsp electrolyte drink powder

 

[Felixflex]

I really should sort of a pre and intra workout shake to help me along a little

 

[Neddysmith]

Interesting to see any feedback on anyone who actually follows this to see if there is a noticable difference in performance and or recovery.

Always liked following Milos workouts especially when he was training Luke Wood and Hide, although he has coped his fair share of critisism over the years for stuffing the contest preps of a lot few people, they look awesome 2 - 3 weeks out and them come in very flat or bloated....

 

[judgey]

I would say that, at least from a recovery perspective, his stack would definitely make a difference. However, I'm not willing to pump that many goodies into my body so I will have to wait for someone who has tried it to vouch for it!

 

[Rugby88]

Interesting to see any feedback on anyone who actually follows this to see if there is a noticable difference in performance and or recovery.

Always liked following Milos workouts especially when he was training Luke Wood and Hide, although he has coped his fair share of critisism over the years for stuffing the contest preps of a lot few people, they look awesome 2 - 3 weeks out and them come in very flat or bloated....

I'll give it a crack and let you know how I go - i'll start next week - got everything besides WMS.

Got to agree with you with stuffing up comp prep - Luke Wood used to look like one of the best bodybuilders in the world weeks out and then come comp day looked terrible - I think this had more to do with the drugs that were recommend more than anything.

 

[Neddysmith]

Got to agree with you with stuffing up comp prep - Luke Wood used to look like one of the best bodybuilders in the world weeks out and then come comp day looked terrible - I think this had more to do with the drugs that were recommend more than anything.

Yeah I think I remember reading something about one of Luke's blog or posts on another forum about one of his stuff up and he was eating something like 1000g of carbs a day in the last week leading up to his contest or something silly like that, all he was doing during the week was eating training or sleeping....

 

[Rugby88]

Yeah I think I remember reading something about one of Luke's blog or posts on another forum about one of his stuff up and he was eating something like 1000g of carbs a day in the last week leading up to his contest or something silly like that, all he was doing during the week was eating training or sleeping....

Yep I remember that - I am trying to find some pics of Luke when he was like 1-2-3 weeks out and looked fantastic, full, thick, dry, just huge - then the comp photos he looks like a different dude.

 

[Rugby88]

These are the best ones I can find -

From Milos:

I will gladly share with all of you what happened - and I am sure Luke will be glad to tell everyone what really happened...

Needless to say - it was devastating to even watch him...and what photos can't show - all of us that had a chance to be around him - witnessed how Luke was really feeling each and every day in his last two weeks of preparation...

If I would tell you guys that he was EATING LIKE FOOD IS GETTING OUT OF STYLE...that he didn't do any cardio in last 10 days...hadly trained...and also DID NOT TOUCH ANY KIND OF DIURETICS - would you believe me?

While I can't go into great detail at this point (I just returned from my trip and have soooooo much to do...) I will share with you this much:

Many bodybuilders (majority of competitors that I know...me included...) in their contest preparation use specific THYROID medication protocol...(namely: T3 - CYTOMEL or TRIACANA...+ T4 - SYNTHROID, TEVOTHYROXINE) to pharmacologicaly enhance metabolism - in effort to get leaner and loose some body fat...

So, that is something that everyone considers pretty much normal...

However, IF anyone attempts to abuse thyroid - results could be devastating...

What I've learned from Luke - upon his arrival to California is that he feels some strange exhaustion lately and that he is running out of breath quite easily...
Also, he was always hot, sweating just way too much and way more than ever before...and certainly much more than ordinary...

First thing I asked him was to hit few posses - so I could asses his condition...and when he did that - I was speechless...Luke was in THE MOST INCREDIBLE CONDITION I have ever witnessed...Absolutely "skinless" yet - big, full and hard...Winning combination any which way you look at it...The only problem was: he could not hit any pose without shaking uncontrollably...

When I asked him "how come you are shaking so much?" - he answered - " I really don't know what is happening to me...but last few days I am running out of breath doing simplest things...and I have no energy for the life of me..."

I asked him: "Well, are you doing anything different?"...thinking our usual stuff...and he told me - NO....

Than why would you shake like a leaf? I asked....

"Mate - I have no idea...but this has to stop - as I don't know how would I last during the prejudging?"


OK Luke - how much thyroid are you taking?

Not much...just 2 + 2 / that means in "our terminology" 2 tablets of T3 and 2 tablets of T4 daily...(T3 or "cytomel" comes in 25 mgc per tablet and T4 or "synthroid" comes in 50 or 100 mcg per tablet...

Well, that is OK I guess...so what's next?...

By process of elimination I would have analyze everything he was doing/taking just to find out WHAT in the world is doing "IT" to Luke...until I realized - CATASTROPHIC NEWS...

Compounded pharmaceuticals Luke got a hold of as his substitute for CYTOMEL and SYNTHROID... had 2.5 and 10 per tablet...ONLY PROBLEM IS:

NOT mcg (micrograms) but mg (milligrams)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now to understand this - you must calculate:

2 tablets of 2.5 mg of T3 = 5 mg of T3 (which is: 5000 mcg of T3 - equivalent to 200 tablets of CYTOMEL per day!!!!!)

Add to this 2 tablets of 10 mg of T4 (or 20000 mcg of T4)...and you'll understand WHAT WAS GOING ON...


What is worse -- it is still NOT OVER...

Luke is trying his hardest to re-establish NORMAL levels of thyroid...but that will take some time...

 

[Neddysmith]

Yep those are the pics and story I remember of him, man if you get the high def copies of those pics in the garden he was in insane condition, such a pity to see Luke never reach his potential on stage....

 

[Rugby88]

Yep those are the pics and story I remember of him, man if you get the high def copies of those pics in the garden he was in insane condition, such a pity to see Luke never reach his potential on stage....

Yea mate those were the best I could find!

Luke Wood is prob the one bodybuilder that inspired me to lift or at least take lifting seriously - as stupid as it sounds the add for Max's HP+ that he was in pushed me over the edge to take lifting more seriously.

 

[nazzysmith]

Guy was beastly!!

Rip big fella...

 

[Neddysmith]

Here's a couple of Luke i found which were taken in 2006

 

[Felixflex]

that's one solid unit, shame he was taken far to soon. R.I.P big fella