Ceffo,Does that factor in different body compositions as well?
biologic said:Given the relationship between muscle size and strength, a bodybuilders training objectives should seem fairly obvious: train for strength.
There are several sources of confusion over the significance of the size/strength correlation as it applies to bodybuilding:
1. Some muscularly small people are very strong
2. Some muscularly big people are very weak
3. Significant strength gains don’t always seem to lead to significant size gains
4. Significant size gains don’t always come with significant strength gains
5. Gains in muscle size often don’t correlate to gains in strength-related sporting performance
These anecdotal discrepancies are not isolated or infrequent. In every gym and in most high profile sports there are examples of little, strong guys (or girls) and big, weak guys (or girls). Hence, it is easy to see why bodybuilders might abandon strength training for other avenues of growth. Unfortunately, the discrepancies are easily explained and the relevance of strength training for bodybuilding is still absolute.
biologic said:Australian Powerlifter Ange Galati is a good example of a strength ‘freak’. Ange bench presses 235kg at 80kg bodyweight (admittedly with some help from a specially designed Bench Shirt). As such Ange is a world record holder. But several factors combine to make Ange a freak among freaks. Ange is shorter than average (well under 5’ 9”). He also carries much less bodyfat (about 5% or less) and therefore proportionately more muscle for his weight than average.
But freaks like Ange only prove the rule. It is because most of us are average that Anges’ freakiness stands out. We don’t expect people of Anges’ size to lift as much because the average 80kg man cannot lift as much.
Similarly, Anges’ World Record stands because of his strength-to-weight ratio (or strength-to-size ratio). 235kg is not the heaviest weight ever bench pressed; it is the heaviest weight ever benched by a man as small as 80kg (under Federation conditions). A 150kg trainer benching 235kg is not particularly unusual.
The greater majority (90%) of us lift within a few kilos of the average for our height and lean mass. But even freaks like Ange usually gain close to 10kg of muscle (+/- 2kg or so) with every 30, 40 and 45kg on their bench, squat and deadlift respectively.
Mate, that sounds like a good outcome! i.e. Underneath the fat mass you've already got the muscle mass for the physique you aspire too. Just need to do some calorie controlled lifting so you can shed that outer layer and expose the lean machine underneath.i put in weiht and i think im about 20% bf goal weigh of 90kg at 10%bf.
lifts needed are 250kg DL 208kg SQ and 135kg Bench so not to far off for weight lifted but the fat mass loss is hard bit.
Yeah, that's cause he's a sh!tload stronger than I am. For me to get to those lifts I'd have to weigh a lot more than 80kg.Whats confusing is that YOU could be 7% with Kellys lifts, but not him.
Dave,I don't think I explained it well for you. It is not that you are stronger at the same weight with a lower body fat it is that setting a goal for your lifts is not going to get you to a desired body fat level. Muscle mass correlates with strength but strength does not correlate with lower body fat.
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