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The Final Rep: Re-evaluating the Practice of "Training to Failure"

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http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/failure.htm
 
In other iron sports, such as Olympic weightlifting, powerlifting, and throwing, athletes develop enormous levels of muscle mass without training to failure. written by Charles I. Staley, B.Sc., MSS
Olympic weightlifters do not develop enormous levels of muscle mass relative to the training that they do. And the ones that do develop a higher level of mass than the norm (for a weightlifter), do so due to some additional training outside of what is needed by a weightlifter to become proficient in his two main lifts.

Yes, there are many Olympic weightlifters who admire the muscular physique of a bodybuilder (and train for it). Similarly (and much more so), the gyms are full of bodybuilders who admire the strength of strength athletes and end up making strength training the focus of their bodybuilding training!

Training to failure has its merits, but only if used as one of the many tools a bodybuilder has at his disposal. As is the case with any other training principle, over use it, and your body would adapt and plateau. Everything works but nothing works all of the time.



Fadi.
 
Maybe they get jacked because they find it helps them lift more weight
Coach Wu says the Chinese team do a lot of bodybuilding for the upper body, because their upper body is relatively weak compared to other races and they need to catch up on the Jerk. Is this not part of their regular training? Sure it is
 

You know best Oni!
 
wasn't going to post, but needed to.

Traing to failure is not a tool, it is one of the fundemental elements to exercise.

the degree of failure (fatigue) you adopt is subjective, however, results are tangible.
 
Lets think of this logically
Why would a guy that competes in a weight class based sport carry extra muscle mass if it did not benefit them in lifting the weight
 
I can't tell if Fadi is being sarcastic or not, but I feel like he was agreeing? I can't tell lol


anyway a muscles strength is directly proportional to its cross sectional size, so it makes sense to be bigger?
 
Yes but apparently "bodybuilding training" isn't "weightlifting training" despite it making you better at weightlifting
 
Coach Wu says the Chinese team do a lot of bodybuilding for the upper body,...
What is meant by the term "bodybuilding" here? Please be more specific. Barbell curls as far as I know is bodybuilding, ...are we to understand that the Chinese or any sane weightlifter would actually train their biceps with an isolation exercise such as a d/bell or b/bell curl?

...do a lot of bodybuilding for the upper body, because their upper body is relatively weak compared to other races and they need to catch up on the Jerk.
Was that a joke or have I missed something here. I'd like to believe that coach Wu's comment was made for the general public's consumption and nothing else. Just like when an Olympic weightlifting coach would say to the media that his weightlifters do not partake in performance enhancing drugs!!

seriously now, are we to conclude that the jerk movement is somewhat dependent on some upper body strength, and that what is usually performed by weightlifters world wide in the form of overhead presses and jerks etc. is not enough so as to include bodybuilding style of training to a weightlifter's training regime! Again, I'm seriously asking for some specific exercises that the Chinese weightlifters would do (based on their race) that other world weightlifters do not do!



Fadi.
 
...anyway a muscles strength is directly proportional to its cross sectional size, so it makes sense to be bigger?
I'm not arguing the point that bigger is stronger, but please understand that here I'm comparing weightlifters with weightlifters, and not bodybuilders. There's more to this ...



Fadi.
 
this is what the same guy (from Lifthard) had to say about Coach Wu and chinese training methods

maybe you read it wrong?
http://firstpull.net/2013/09/15/interview-with-the-man-behind-lifthard/

so while they may be "known" for "bodybuilding" accessory work.. maybe that's the decoy
 
Here you go Fadi
http://www.allthingsgym.com/chinese-weightlifting-training-methods/

Bench presses, dips, lateral raises, weighted push-ups, arms work are common in videos of these lifters

Here's what I got from the article you have posted:
Remember that the “Chinese” weightlifting methodology is actually “Weakness correction”
I can understand that because that's logic in any coach's book. But still, I'd love to see a Chines weightlifter, a Russian, or even an Australian weightlifter perform some side laterals, when weightlifters have a myriad of above head exercises that are functional in their purpose as opposed to adding something for nothing.

Functional exercises I can accept, ...where is the functionality in side laterals, when a weightlifter has the mighty military press (seated and standing), the jerk, the jerk balance, the push press, the power jerk, the jerk dip,...!!



Fadi.
 
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That's what I've been saying since day one, bravo Sir! If you dislike someone, or want to maintain some sort of advantage, ...simply give the wrong advice, ...but, but make it sound so damn convincing so as to make the irrational somewhat believable!



Fadi.