Where has all this come from?

I have a simple question and just to be clear I am not posting this to stir the pot or start something but just a simple question -

Where has all the information come from regarding such things as IIFYM? not eating every 2-3-4 hours? The idea that eating 400ml of ice cream instead of a steak will still draw the same results etc etc...

I am just interested to see where this all started and how, why it started - and why eating a clean healthy diet is now classed as a conspiracy theory?

Now we all know (if you have been in the fitness/bodybuilding/powerlifting etc industry) for a while that the old eating plenty of protein, fats, etc every through hours has been done for years since before Arnold was around - and it has been proven to work through real-life testing i.e people follow this sort of way of eating/training and it draws results - just look at the millions of athletes, bodybuilders etc who have follow that way of thinking and eating. You would have to say that due to the real-world results we see that it works? Wouldnt you?

My question is we can clearly see how the "classic" "conspiracy theory" methods work due to whats in front of us - what we have witnessed over the last 50-60 years in the industry...but where has this new way of thinking come from? Who has developed it? and where are the hundreds of thousands/millions of people who follow it and their results?

I know there are a handful of fantastic bodybuilders out there who follow such methods of IIFYM and thats great but a handfull next to millions just isnt really a postive test for these methods.

People brag about them and everything but I just need to know where its come from and how/why it will draw the same results if not better than the more "classic" "conspiracy theory" methods.

Peace.

No one said ice cream is better than steak. They are totally different foods. You can only eat so much steak. Part of dieting is also mental. If fitting your favorite foods into you diet allows you to stick to it long term this is a much better diet than excluding all so called junk food and going on the diet then binge cycle that most people do. Diets are long term, so being sustainable is probably the most important factor.

Again if you want to eat steak every meal go for it. No one is making you do otherwise.

Eating every couple hours. It doesn't do anything beneficial. If you like eating every couple hours, go for it . If not, don't worry about it.

Correlation does not neccesitate causation...

Agreeably the hard core IIFYM fans can go over board at times... But the BS in this industry is ridiculous and this belief around clean eating is just as absurd..

Bazza20 said:

No one said ice cream is better than steak. They are totally different foods. You can only eat so much steak. Part of dieting is also mental. If fitting your favorite foods into you diet allows you to stick to it long term this is a much better diet than excluding all so called junk food and going on the diet then binge cycle that most people do. Diets are long term, so being sustainable is probably the most important factor.

Again if you want to eat steak every meal go for it. No one is making you do otherwise.

Eating every couple hours. It doesn't do anything beneficial. If you like eating every couple hours, go for it . If not, don't worry about it.

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Question...

Will meal timing have an effect if using slin?

Have you read this: http://ausbb.com/nutrition-diet/153...ng-post-workout-anabolic-window-gi-myths.html

I am not asking the pros V Cons or questioning if its shit, better, indifferent - nor am I looking for a debate - just questioning where this mindset has come from and also why people who follow these methods are so defsensive and also why they put the classic ways of approaching an athletes diet into a "conspiracy theory" bucket?

All I am asking is where is this information sourced and where did it start from?

Rugby88 said:

I am not asking the pros V Cons or questioning if its shit, better, indifferent - nor am I looking for a debate - just questioning where this mindset has come from and also why people who follow these methods are so defsensive and also why they put the classic ways of approaching an athletes diet into a "conspiracy theory" bucket?

All I am asking is where is this information sourced and where did it start from?

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You keep mentioning conspiracy theory and since I'm the one that brings that up here you must be referring to me. I mention conspiracy theory in regards to micks comments claiming that grains are poisonous for us, sugar is like a drug, among other things and linking conspiracy theory web sites as proof.

Bazza20 said:

You keep mentioning conspiracy theory and since I'm the one that brings that up here you must be referring to me. I mention conspiracy theory in regards to micks comments claiming that grains are poisonous for us, sugar is like a drug, among other things and linking conspiracy theory web sites as proof.

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Not referring to you mate - just pointing out what I have heard.

Conspiracy theory, myths, fades etc etc

Again all I am asking is where is the information sourced from, where did it start?

This new way of eating/dieting/approaching training is pretty big now and just wondering where it all came about.

In my opinion I think a lot of people don't understand how to use IIFYM. It isn't a way to eat ice cream every bloody meal like some think it is. It is a way to incorporate the "junk" foods in to your diet to satisfy a craving, it should be used as more a 10-15% type thing. With a majority of the food coming from foods with a good nutritional value.

No idea where the original concept came up, someone probably seen Arnie eating a twinkie or something and he said it was part of his diet and then their head exploded

Most mis-information comes from the media.

as with exercise, which is quite simple, supposed experts need to come up with new amazing things to sell magazines, usually tag some celebrity with amazing abilities promoting the product or idea.

This is not just in the health industry, but the general model to try and sell anything.

people do work this out eventually.

@Rugby88 ; I see the point you're getting at mate.

In answer to where it all comes from ; I think it just stems from research and academics and the like looking to make a name for themselves. And from others who have simply looked for alternative methods of living what they believe is a healthy life.

That's not to say there isn't some merit in things such as paleo diets etc.. which up until fairly recent times were fairly un-heard of by the community at large.

Me personally, I have a hard time not eating any carbs and just living on fats and meats and nuts and no dairy etc..

Also, I do not have the time nor inclination to sit down to try and verify all these findings for myself.

It comes down to doing what works best for you and your lifestyle, what you are prepared to live with and without and which pieces of these information you actually believe.

Test-E said:

@Rugby88 ; I see the point you're getting at mate.

In answer to where it all comes from ; I think it just stems from research and academics and the like looking to make a name for themselves. And from others who have simply looked for alternative methods of living what they believe is a healthy life.

That's not to say there isn't some merit in things such as paleo diets etc.. which up until fairly recent times were fairly un-heard of by the community at large.

Me personally, I have a hard time not eating any carbs and just living on fats and meats and nuts and no dairy etc..

Also, I do not have the time nor inclination to sit down to try and verify all these findings for myself.

It comes down to doing what works best for you and your lifestyle, what you are prepared to live with and without and which pieces of these information you actually believe.

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Some have truthfully looked at alternatives.

And that is all they are alternatives, some have merit, some are totally flawed

The fact is there are a lot of fatties out there compared to the 60's (prior to the fitness revolution) but there where also a lot of poorly condition.

Il give my 2c

Ive tried a number of things to loose weight and get into good shape. I was one that believed protein shakes would bulk me up and weights would make me bulky too.

Then i jumped on the net and did my reading for a couple years on and off.

I then did what suited me the best, Logging calories.

Now dont get me wrong, I eat healthy whole foods to fill my calories up, but the BEST part is, I can have a piece of chocolate or a serving of ice cream and NOT feel guilty about it.

The guilt was always the worst part for me, It would make me not want to train, Say il start fresh next week ect ect and it was a bad cycle

Now im probably the happiest ive been with my self, Yes im still over weight but im doing my best at it and i know what i need to do.

I wont say that eating every 2 hours with 30g protein and shakes 30min after a workout don't work. because it dose for people.

If you can stick to something long term then YOU will see results.

I love my carbs so why would i want to eat Keto

I love eating when i want so why would i eat every 2 hours

I love eating what i want so why would i restrict a whole food group

Then again some times i feel like everyone wants to be big and lean, but few are willing to work hard for it, they use IIFYM as an excuse to eat shit food.

I dont use IIFYM to eat junk food, I use it because i love to cook and eat all sorts of different meals each week, il never just eat chicken, brown rice and broccoli day in day out. id rather be dead

People just need to do what works for them and stop worrying about ole mate next to him.

Speak to 20 people about diet and traiing and you will get 20 different answers and ways to approach it

It's come from people who are selling something that sounds great to the lazy shits....too bad there is lot's of money to be made these days.

another example is Cross-fit

CrossFit isn't based on being right/correct. It's based on keeping new/fresh customers coming thrugh the doors.

IIFYM has it's roots in Layne Norton eating baked lays potato chips during his contest prep and Alberto Nuneuz having pop tarts, this is where I believe it started anyway. Mostly over at bodybuilding.com

The message those two very talented individuals were trying to spread is that you can be slightly flexible with a contest diet, but not completely off the rails like some people have taken it. People then took approaches such as meeting your minimum protein / fats for the day and then filling the remaining calories with whatever you like.

As with all things, the middle ground approach works best. Anyone who has done a true contest diet knows that there is no way you can continue to eat chocolate and ice cream deep into contest prep, as the fat content will be off the charts. However you can start substituting for low fat variations of ice cream or yoghurt and still meet your calorie requirements for the day.

I've seen guys do intermittent fasting for 36 hours so they can fit 1.5 days worth of food into a single helping, thousands of calories worth of whatever they like and this also works for them.

Personally, IIFYM was what finally made me successful in completing a contest diet, because I knew I could add a piece or two of chocolate each day until my fat content was really low, or I could have some low fat ice cream when I felt like it and not derail my diet. It psychologically allowed me some freedom whilst also achieving low bodyfat levels.

End of the day, just ignore all the crap out there, people will be arguing until the end of time on the right approach, just do what works for you and reach your goals.

Those cross-fitters are cross-dressers... @Shrek

Test-E said:

Those cross-fitters are cross-dressers... @Shrek

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myst said:

IIFYM has it's roots in Layne Norton eating baked lays potato chips during his contest prep and Alberto Nuneuz having pop tarts, this is where I believe it started anyway. Mostly over at bodybuilding.com

The message those two very talented individuals were trying to spread is that you can be slightly flexible with a contest diet, but not completely off the rails like some people have taken it. People then took approaches such as meeting your minimum protein / fats for the day and then filling the remaining calories with whatever you like.

As with all things, the middle ground approach works best. Anyone who has done a true contest diet knows that there is no way you can continue to eat chocolate and ice cream deep into contest prep, as the fat content will be off the charts. However you can start substituting for low fat variations of ice cream or yoghurt and still meet your calorie requirements for the day.

I've seen guys do intermittent fasting for 36 hours so they can fit 1.5 days worth of food into a single helping, thousands of calories worth of whatever they like and this also works for them.

Personally, IIFYM was what finally made me successful in completing a contest diet, because I knew I could add a piece or two of chocolate each day until my fat content was really low, or I could have some low fat ice cream when I felt like it and not derail my diet. It psychologically allowed me some freedom whilst also achieving low bodyfat levels.

End of the day, just ignore all the crap out there, people will be arguing until the end of time on the right approach, just do what works for you and reach your goals.

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