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WoodyAllen

Well-known member
https://worldpowerlifting.com

Web site starting to go up now. Once it's stable, I guess a lot of questions will be answered, or mebbe not. So far, I see that the world championships are not in the US as verbally announced a few weeks back. Looks like it's in Melbourne. That may be due to lack of other feds joining up.
 

WoodyAllen

Well-known member
Podcast #007 that interviews Robert Wilks regarding: "Robert Wilks on Leaving the IPF and Establishing World Powerlifting

Robert Wilks joins the boys to shed some light on his dispute(s) with the IPF and his decision to establish a new global powerlifting federation, World Powerlifting. He also gives us the first news on things such as approved equipment lists, updating the Wilks formula, and what the implications of having a rival federation are for the sport and competitors at the top."

https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/weakly-weights/id1383005786?mt=2

I haven't listened to it yet but I assume that at least one side of the situation will be presented to some degree.
 

WoodyAllen

Well-known member
Can you listen to it, and post all of the important points here?


I'll get time over the next few days. I'm competing in the morning (IPF worlds) so kinda focused on other stuff right now. Like not throwing up from nerves.

Catching up with a lot of familiar faces. Looks like it will be a real hoot.
 

Sticky

Active member
I'll get time over the next few days. I'm competing in the morning (IPF worlds) so kinda focused on other stuff right now. Like not throwing up from nerves.

Catching up with a lot of familiar faces. Looks like it will be a real hoot.


Good luck mate!
 

WoodyAllen

Well-known member
OK. I have listened to about 3/4 of it. Of most interest is the intent to revamp the Wilks formula as when it was first put in place, there were zero 80kg+ women and, generally, very few females lifting. Now it's around 50% or more. Also, equipped lifting is almost dead in the water so allowances must be made for that. Then there is the general increase in data bank info of lifting and raw lifting results (plus just a huge jump in the numbers of people competing) which tends to favour the middle weight classes.

There will be (or there is intent to be) 5 year weight classes for masters, not the current 10 year groupings. Strength drops 1% per year over 30 (or is it 40?) so allowances need to be made for masters lifters to get a fairer result.

WADA drug testing will be across the board including lots more out of comp and bio blood tests. At the moment only about 30% of IPF affiliated countries put in testing reports. This was part of the beef Wilks had with Gaston as he was evicted from the anti doping committee due to asking awkward questions and requesting action.

He also mentioned getting rid of "silly rules", but no details on that.

I'm not personally promoting any particular fed here, just reporting what was said.

 

Sticky

Active member
I’d love to know what “silly rules” he plans to get rid of considering how many he made here for PA.
 

WoodyAllen

Well-known member
How did you go at the Worlds Woody?


Tore my left tricep on my last squat. Whodahell tears a tricep squatting? Managed a single token bench and two embarrassingly light deadlifts to get a total. The physio there said that if I pushed it too hard there was risk of tearing it off the bone or tearing the tendon. As it was, it was "only" a muscle tear. I damn near passed out. I was out the back rolling around like a hillbilly at a revival meeting.

So, a bit pissed off, but then I knew I had elbow issues from squatting in both arms prior, plus all the other niggles. I even had a bag of ice in a cooler bag "just in case". The things we do.

Looking towards Sweden in June next year. Redemption will be had. Yes it will.

The actual comp was a hoot. Some great lifters there. You can track down the IPF live streams on youtube. The 105 mens is worth a look.

https://www.youtube.com/user/powerliftingtv/videos
 

WoodyAllen

Well-known member
I’d love to know what “silly rules” he plans to get rid of considering how many he made here for PA.

Listened to the rest of it while driving today. Beginner comps are in the pipeline, but you have to be a member. No short memberships available, just 12 months. I think there is currently a student discount. I know there is a pensioner rate and a rate for non lifters.

Beyond that, no details on other "silly rules".

Also, apparently money left over from the yearly IPF drug testing budget disappeared each year back into the general coffers, and not into more tests. Only about 30% of member nations do drug tests, with out of comp tests dropping radically after Wilks was taken off the drug testing committee (his statement, no rebuttal presented).

As mentioned, no other side was presented, just an interview (which was done quite well) with Wilks.
 

WoodyAllen

Well-known member
Brett Gibbs had this on his instagram story. Not sure where he got it from but probably an email to NZPL members as they are voting on whether to stay in the IPF or shift to the new WP fed. It simplifies and explains why all this IPF/PA/WP/APU bullshit happened in the first place.

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A message from the NZPF president regarding the affiliation for 2019 onwards - What do you think?
"Dear Federation Members
Firstly, let me apologise for not getting this out sooner, although other factors did stop me before now. On the 24 August, at the AGM, the members present will be faced with a decision to make, quite possibly the most difficult decision ever faced with far reaching implications. The NEC’s job is not to lobby but to provide you with information to make an informed decision.
What is this decision? To put simply, do we affiliate with a new International Federation called World Powerlifting or stay with the current one, which we have for 38 years, the International Powerlifting Federation.
The New Zealand Powerlifting Federation is owned by its members, the NEC is the body that makes decisions on a day to day basis on your behalf, managing the Federations interests and promoting the sport. Its job is to ensure any opportunities are presented to members to improve the enjoyment of the sport, keep costs down and keep a level playing field so all lifters are given an equal opportunity to compete both in NZ and overseas.
So why is there a new Federation out there?
To answer this question, some background is needed. As you know, much publicity has been made of the expulsion of Mr Robert Wilks, the CEO of Powerlifting Australia from the IPF as a member, the ADC (Anti-Doping Committee) Chairman, and the Oceania Executive Committee member. In addition, Powerlifting Australia and the Oceania Powerlifting Federation, which comprises of ten nations, including NZ were also excluded although the individual nations kept their IPF membership.
To keep it short, Mr Wilks, as the head of the ADC, was focusing on testing a particular group of Nations that had a poor record of positive doping. The IPF believed he was unfairly targeting these Nations. A dispute broke out, things got very personal and Mr Wilks resigned these roles. This was in the latter part of 2015.
Mr Wilks, believing the matter should be pursued in the interests of the Nations that do conduct independent testing, raised the subject along with some others including behaviour by some members of the EC, to the Disciplinary Committee, the Appeals Committee and finally to the Court of Arbitration of Sport. The IPF, feeling aggrieved by the attacks, took the action of banning Mr Wilks in the IPF Congress of 2017. As the CAS action included submissions from PA and the OPF, they were banned as well.
The court action, currently being reviewed through the courts of Luxembourg, is still pending and if successful would require the IPF to re-instate Mr Wilks, PA and OPF. There is a lot more detail but I must err on the side of caution.
This left PA without an international body, and the rest of the Oceania Nations without a Regional Federation. The unfortunate collateral damage is a large number of lifters in PA were affected by this dispute without really knowing why. The Oceania Nations had no governing regional board so were largely left rudderless. NZ and PA subsidise the IPF fees for the OPF Nations as many can’t afford the 400E each year. On top of this the IPF tried to levy a 3000E doping fee on Oceania. If paid, this would have had to be mostly paid by NZ and PA. In addition the current OPF Board provides technical support to the Pacific Games.
The general feeling is the IPF were constructively trying to force the OPF out. In 2016 I made an amendment to the OPF constitution, which had I not, would have meant we would probably be part of Asia by now.
As it is, we are unable to participate in the Oceania’s this year, and possibly for the next one. The Oceania Federation still exists but is part of World Powerlifting now.
So, the outcome of all of this is a band of Nation’s decided to get together and essentially start again. The founding Nations are obviously PA, a collection of eleven countries under the banner of 100% raw in the US, some of the Oceania nations, and at least another dozen from Asia including China, Hong Kong, Vietnam, Thailand and Iran.
The main differences are, a drug testing regime that all nations must follow, a new rule book that does away with the hated approved list, an additional women’s class ( yes ladies, that’s means eight), masters classes in 5 year increments, the removal of the ridiculous three nations referee rule (this has cost NZ $0000 of dollars in flying and accommodating referees). The rule book is very similar but much simplified.
Equipment will based on specs rather than brand, however a standard will still need to be followed.
The emphasis is trying to get the costs down for lifters, making the sport more accessible and local; and doping controls strictly applied.
The important thing to remember—no changes in the way NZPF is run.
There has been a number of suggestions regarding the AGM and the way it is run.
Proxy’s-these are not allowed and the reason is logistical. If a remit is presented, it must be seconded to be discussed. During the discussion, amendments can be proposed and seconded and so on. So the original remit can eventually end up very different so proxies would be thrown out.
Live streaming- this is fine if someone wants to organise it. But not remote interaction, observation only.
Changing the constitution- If you want to change anything in the constitution-this must go through the local association. Same for matters in general business from people who can’t attend. Use your delegate to bring up matters if you can’t attend. The reason we can’t accept remits from individuals is again logistics- we have 600 members and only so much time. Changes have to be made on the day and require a 2/3 majority.
What will happen at the meeting?
When we get to the section on remits, I will give a short presentation on the almost the same material here. Mr Robert Wilks will then go into more detail regarding the opportunities than WP can offer.
Then the General Secretary of the IPF, Mr Robert Keller will give a presentation on the benefits of staying with the IPF.
Members will be allowed to ask questions of either gentlemen. Then they will leave the meeting while we discuss the two options and eventually vote.
I hope this clarifies some of your concerns. See you at the meeting
Steve Lousich
NZPF President"
 

Sticky

Active member
It was posted on FB. Liz shared it.

I hope they stay IPF.

The onmy draw draw back is no Oceania’s, which is a pretty big local comp.
 

spartacus

Well-known member
no, just the key players.

should be interesting, although i do not know what show is about.

hopefully kiwi lifters see report before they vote on 24 august so they can make an informed decision. I am sire that ABC will offer a thorough report.

sad to see that world powerlifting site still not up, yawn, yawn.
 

0ni

Registered Rustler
If its the ABC it will just be about how someone urinated while deadlifting
 

WoodyAllen

Well-known member


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