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CaT_SPeW
extra crispy
Nice tip, although I assume that this is towards the end of the movement (ie. when you lockout) rather than when the bar is coming up past your face
I have bumped my nose doing OH press, talk about bruised pride...
yeah definitely just befor the lockout lol. i let my head drop back as i lower the bar onto my chest as well Josh, it sort of gives a me a rythmn to work with. head in, head out, head in, head out
Christian
Active Member, June10MOTM
Well that would be a clean and press not a military press..
The idea is just not to be a soft cock using a rack.
Kyle Aaron
Active member
Haha, I'm a softcck then 
Too much hassle changing the weights on their rubber matting floor otherwise.
Too much hassle changing the weights on their rubber matting floor otherwise.
pistachio
Member
ah ok, thats what i thought.
well i dont really have a choice anyway seeing as the squat rack isnt high enough anyway.
also, just got back from the gym, tried lifting from the ground and it was fine, no probs with the clean. did 60kg for 5 reps in the final set, not sure if this is a good weight, but it felt pretty good
PowerBuilder
New member
Fadi
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PowerBuilder,
I've got a slow connection here but I can tell you the difference without having to look at the video clip.
The MP as you know is just a straight press without any leg drive involvement.
The P/Press is done by first dipping slightly to generate some force/drive from the quads and then continue as per the MP.
The Power jerk (don't like the name push jerk), is done by again dipping slightly then utilising your leg power to drive the weight. The difference between this and the above P/Press, is that you're NOT allowed to press the weight up. It's YOU/ your upper torso that goes low underneath the weight and just uses your arms to lock the weight with. No pressing/no shoulder/arm work; mainly leg power here. Huge difference between the amounts of weight lifted.
Check out Piros Dimas on you tube; the Champion always utilises the power jerk technique. Now if there was a hint of arm pressing whatsoever during his power jerk; that would invalidate his lift since it's against the rules to press or to even lock and unlock (which constitutes a press) with the arms.
PS: would be easier just to watch hey!
Fadi.
Fadi
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Markos, the Chinese would be an exception to the rule here when it comes to double front squatting if you like. These guys are phenomenally powerful in the legs. Not even Dimos could raise up if his power jerk forced him to re-squat too deep.
Great movement. I used it few times in comps but went back to the split. My strength was always the pull and not the jerk due to dropping the chest whilst dipping prior to jerking and throwing the line of power forward.
I think you'd find Robert Kabbas strength was the jerk. He was the talk of town when his jerk off the rack was equal with the Russian legend Yuri Vardanian world record clean and jerk. You can ask him about it. Very powerful overhead Rob was.
Fadi.
Christian
Active Member, June10MOTM
Yes but reading that explains to people what they are saying.. Might try some push jerks..
Fadi
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I don't understand what you mean by that noobs. I've shown that the power jerk is all leg drive and there's no shoulder benefit to be had by doing it. It's a specific exercise for weightlifters as they are the only ones who can use such a movement. Others can either do the military press, which is mainly shoulder strength (with other smaller assisting and stabilising muscles involved); or they can perform the Push Press that does have an element of leg power added to it and therefore can not be attributed to full shoulder strength.
Sorry mate; I might be missing something here and more than likely it’s my fault in understanding what you mean.
Fadi.
Christian
Active Member, June10MOTM
You mis understood but thats no problem..
Looking at trying it because i want to incorporate more olympic lifts into my routine. I love the techniques and the feel of them. I know there is no shoulder development in it arms are there merley to hold the bar to the body momentum transfers the weight.
I want to start getting into jerks snatches and the lot.. Practice practice practice.
Im going to have to practice alot of overhead squats
Looking at trying it because i want to incorporate more olympic lifts into my routine. I love the techniques and the feel of them. I know there is no shoulder development in it arms are there merley to hold the bar to the body momentum transfers the weight.
I want to start getting into jerks snatches and the lot.. Practice practice practice.
Im going to have to practice alot of overhead squats
Fadi
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I've been hearing this here lately and I'm a little bit surprised by it all to be frank. What is an overhead squat and what is its aim?
I'm not saying do not do it; I'm basically asking do you know why you'd want to do it.
I remember I was not the best snatcher in the world due to my balance (surprising coming from a gymnastic background); so I did do what we call snatche balance. That's where the bar is held as in the squat position with hands located at the appropriate snatch position, then with one movement, I jerk the weight off my shoulders whilst simultaneously drop into a full squat/snatch position. That's what I understand by overhead squat.
Now if my name was Yo Min Ho instead of Fadi, then I could understand the need for it since most Chinese lifters perform the power jerk and sometimes are forced to ( or by choice at times) go into another squat whilst holding the weight at above head with arms locked.
So maybe Coach Markos can enlighten me on what I may be missing here; it would be much appreciated. Thank you.
Fadi.
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Fadi
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Ah that was a funny post noobs. Re the Chinese name; I just typed anything Chinese sounding. Re the snatch, it was not for strengthening my core muscles but was specifically done for balance. As for the arms torn off backwards, that's easily taken care of by just going through a shoulder dislocation where you simply roll the shoulders back and drop the weight behind you. It's only when a weightlifter doesn't know when enough is enough and stubbornly holds onto the bar as he's loosing it that elbow dislocations and other nasties occur (of course not the full story but enough for now).
Fadi.
PowerBuilder
New member
overhead squats are...well...at first weird.
As fadi has alluded to, you pretty much start in the final stage of a military press, then squat down as if to do a normal back squat, then up again. You obviously use a lot less weight than your back squat. Like, a lot. I don't do them since, well...i don't feel the need. If there was one that i saw &/or my coach said do 30 sets of 10 per session...i would, otherwise, i'll enjoy them from the side lines
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As fadi has alluded to, you pretty much start in the final stage of a military press, then squat down as if to do a normal back squat, then up again. You obviously use a lot less weight than your back squat. Like, a lot. I don't do them since, well...i don't feel the need. If there was one that i saw &/or my coach said do 30 sets of 10 per session...i would, otherwise, i'll enjoy them from the side lines
Exhibit A
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