meh decided to read you other post and it seems we agree that arginine is good, you just doont think it should be taken pre-workout, i cant use your other thread to make me believe that i shouldnt take arginine pre-workout because the experiment only talk about arginines affects on gh levels, when there are alot more factors that should be takin into consideration when deciding if it should be used pre-workout or not.
Maybe you need to re-read it, there is 2 clinical trials that have been done on this in the following manner:
http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/reprint/00285.2006v1.pdf
ARG
ARG + EXE - 260.5 ? 76.8 min?ng/ml
PLACEBO + EXE
EXE - 508.7 ? 169.6 min?ng/ml
Integrated GH area under the curve was significantly higher on the Ex day (508.7 ? 169.6 min?ng/ml; P < 0.05) than on any of the other study days. Arg+Ex (260.5 ? 76.8 min?ng/ml) resulted in a greater response than the placebo day but not significantly greater than the Arg day. The GH half-life and half duration were not influenced by the stimulus administered. The GH secretory burst mass was larger, but not significantly, on the Arg, Ex, and Arg+Ex day than the placebo day. Endogenous GH production rate (Ex > Arg+Ex > Arg > placebo) was greater on the Ex and Arg+Ex day than on the placebo day (P < 0.05) but there were no differences between the Ex and Arg+Ex day. Oral arginine alone (7 g) stimulated GH release, but a greater GH response was seen with exercise alone. The combined effect of arginine before exercise attenuates the GH response. Autonegative feedback possibly causes a refractory period such that when the two stimuli are presented there will be suppression of the somatotrope.
MAYBE HAVE A GOOD READ OF THAT AND ANYTHING YOU DONT UNDERSTAND USE A DICTIONARY OR GOOGLE!
In daily use Arginine is great and in night time use even greater as within the first 20mins of sleep GH is releases in pulses with arginine these pulses should be larger.
A good friend of mine trains at the VIS and is an olympic athlete, she is on my forum and stated she always uses Arginine before bed as she has always been instructed to do so.
The benefits vs the negatives:
Benefits:
1 Daily use will help hold a positive nitrogen balance and protein transpostation should be greater
2 GH release when resting
3 Appear more vascular or pumped during training.
Negatives:
1 decreases highly anabolic hormone GH output when exercise is combined with it's use
Ok so it seems they are all good things except having less GH secretion.
The question needs to be asked: Why does my body secrete more GH when i exercise? Im sure the answer should be easy for most, its needed for many reasons to help aid recovery increase muscle size and growth.
If we were to say that all arginine did was decrease your GH levels when you workout which is probably the most important time GH is required...hence why your body release alot of it would you still use it? No
Now ofcourse it has daily benefits, and imo the daily benefits would far outweigh the pump you could obtain in the gym especially as this is the time GH is greater required thats why the body releases it.
All in all no matter how you use it, it will not have any major benefits that would be noticable and also a positive nitrogen balance cannot be obtained with arginine only reular food ie every 2 to 3hrs is what will hold the PNB, the arginine will just increase the effects.