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Deadlift DOMS

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pronish

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Hey guys,
I have only been dead lifting for a short time (just over 5 times), by far out of any of the lifts I do the soreness after deadlifts in my lower back is the weirdest feeling and most annoying. They are usually present for 2 days; is this normal?
I know a few people in my gym who say you shouldn't be feeling it in your lower back, though this seems to go against the rationale that dead lift uses the posterior chain.
2 days ago I dead lifted for the first time in 2 weeks (exams), I'd been squatting in that break whenever I got a chance as it's my favourite lift. I went for a max as I felt good (stupid me going for a max after not doing them for 2 weeks) and the soreness was worse then ever yesterday, but after some stretching I only feel it in the very bottom of my lower back atm (just above glutes).

P.S.
Sorry if this is a stupid question first post, also my traps are dead and glutes where sore yesterday but are pretty fine today.

Thanks :)
-P
 
If DOMS are felt the next day, the best course of action to stop it is a couple of relatively light sets of the same exercise.

High ish rep's. Not to fatigue.
 
Mate I can't answer your question - all I will say is for deads get a powerlifting coach to look at your form and give you the OK. I injured my back teaching myself deads, and it sounds like you're trying to work it out yourself.
 
Lower back shouldn't really be sore
My back gets sore in the mid back, near where my lats insert
 
It's normal to be sore when you start doing a new lift. Feeling it in the lower back is normal. It is part of your P chain and even if your back doesn't round you are still using your lower back muscles to keep it stable.
 
Thanks guys :) I have a few olympic lifting coaches at my gym who taught me the deadlift but sadly they weren't their on the day, will ask them next time I see them :)
Just wondering though if lowerback DOMS are common even for expereinced lifters when they go for a lot of volume or a PR?
Russel-This is one of the videos my coach(es) recommended to me to have a gander at though yeah the others where right that having a one on one can't be beat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5qcN_w_m8c
or try this article
http://70sbig.com/blog/2013/04/ac-discusses-the-deadlift/
 
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Thanks guys :) I have a few olympic lifting coaches at my gym who taught me the deadlift but sadly they weren't their on the day, will ask them next time I see them :)
Just wondering though if lowerback DOMS are common even for expereinced lifters when they go for a lot of volume or a PR?
Russel-This is one of the videos my coach(es) recommended to me to have a gander at though yeah the others where right that having a one on one can't be beat.
How to Rebuild Your Deadlift Properly - YouTube
or try this article
AC Discusses the Deadlift | 70's Big

Picture perfect technique like that will only keep you weak
 
what weights are you deadlifting? it might be poor technique, but it could also be muscle soreness from being "weak" in the areas the lift targets. after a brutal dead session I feel whole body soreness rather than specific soreness though. never felt specific back soreness.
 
90kg PR....hides....nah just started and 15 hope to get much better. I guess Its just because I'm not as used to the movement and some muscles are lagging, I felt upper back soreness too yesterday but today gone traps are a bit sore and lower back only when I'm at hyper extension now; did some stretches since the morning.
 
I did deads for the first time in 2 months on Thursday and can hardly walk today as my lower back it killing me got to love those doms
 
Hey guys,
I have only been dead lifting for a short time (just over 5 times), by far out of any of the lifts I do the soreness after deadlifts in my lower back is the weirdest feeling and most annoying. They are usually present for 2 days; is this normal?
I know a few people in my gym who say you shouldn't be feeling it in your lower back, though this seems to go against the rationale that dead lift uses the posterior chain.
2 days ago I dead lifted for the first time in 2 weeks (exams), I'd been squatting in that break whenever I got a chance as it's my favourite lift. I went for a max as I felt good (stupid me going for a max after not doing them for 2 weeks) and the soreness was worse then ever yesterday, but after some stretching I only feel it in the very bottom of my lower back atm (just above glutes).

P.S.
Sorry if this is a stupid question first post, also my traps are dead and glutes where sore yesterday but are pretty fine today.

Thanks :)
-P

Mate. I have bad hips (twisted, making 1 leg shorter than the other by 1cm) I know it isn't much when you think about it; nobody could pick up on it by the way I walk or anything, however, it causes HAVOC on my lower back in any knees bent back straight/arched position. I just started a thread about it but this is exactly what is written in it.

I am giving you this advice because it has honestly helped me so much. I was doomed not only 2 weeks ago until I started doing this! I have researched so much on this lift now and being a newb I am fresh and full of info for other newbs until we become more advanced.

What I want you to do is exactly what I did. It's sounds like you are lifting the bar slightly away from yourself on the way up or perhaps it is something else, either way why not give this a go.

READ AND PERFORM THIS FIRST

This first thing is simply learning the perfect setup for you, if you start wrong then it will hurt and you will not do the lift correctly! Trust me! I actually changed where I have my feet and hands placed on the bar numerous times during this process to get the exact sweet spot that worked for me. I would strongly suggest doing this too. I found that having my feet in line with the smooth areas of the bar, with about 1/4 of the outside of both sides of my feet going past the smooth part and out where the knurling is.

My hands felt most natural to be about 1-2 inches further out than this (I have short arms and a bit of a belly) but it still might be a good starting point for you to work your way from there. You will want to alternate these positions until it feels natural to perform with the next part

The next part is to stand closer to the bar than what you have been recently (Make SURE the bar is over the mid way point of your foot, it's usually at the top of the tongue of your shoe or close enough, it's easy to think the middle of your foot is actually closer to your toes than this but it isn't. Now lean over and grab the bar naturally until it becomes very natural.

The next part is practice closing the gap between your shins and the bar numerous times (without pulling the bar back); crouch down slightly until your shins are touching the bar, while allowing your back to straighten naturally, do not force your back to do anything just yet. Repeat this until it really feels natural. If you think you aren't close enough then reset and step your feet in a little bit closer. When closing the gao between the bar and your shins, you will want to immediately notice that the distance is definitely closer than it used to be for you recently! This will make the crouching distance shorter. Keep practising all of what I just mentioned until you are 100% comfortable and have your setup perfect!

Step 1. Lean over naturally and grab the bar in a close position but not close enough that your arms get stopped by your legs on the movement.

Step 2. . Take a deep breath in this position while your airway is as clear as possible.

Step 3. Close the gap between the bar and your shins with your new technique by crouching naturally, because of your new adjustments you will now notice the amount you crouch is eliminated, forcing you to be more upright making it easier to maintain the correct back position and shrink the amount you are actually squatting down to close the gap.

Step 4. Without dropping your ass down, naturally pull your upper back in a backwards motion until you simply can't go back any more, reducing the slack in your body; this will trigger all of your back muscles in to action and make your arms nice and tight, be mindful that you also want a slightly arched lower back which should come naturally from doing what I just said. (You shouldn't try to pull your shoulders back too far as this will reduce your leverage, it's healthy to have a small round in your upper back, but don't exaggerate it in the slightest, because it will force you to round your whole back if you start to fatigue, or when you get to heavier lifts!

Step 5. You want to begin your lift holding this back position as comfortably as possible but don't do it lazily. Stand up and keep the bar touching and rolling up your shins, by the time it reaches the bottom of your knees you want to pull your glutes tight together; which will force your legs straight and will get your knees out of the way of the bar (remember to keep the bar rolling up and against your legs all the way up)

Step 6. On the way down, keep your back in the same position and let your ass/hips break first not your knees, so the bar can roll down your legs and as soon as the bar is is past your knees you want to then break your knees and allow the bar to roll down your shins as you naturally squat down a little bit to close the distance the bar has to travel back to the ground.

Final Note

When lifting the weight, if your lower back starts to hurt because it's so arched, you might find yourself aligning to a more straight position, this is fine but don't exaggerate it as you might get in to a bad habit of rounding it. Film yourself every time you go up in weight to make sure your form stays the same. If it changes too much you should focus on correcting next time, if it is not changing after that week of training, then you might want to go back down in weight until you get stronger on that previous weight. Remember that this has worked for me and might help you; whatever you do though, follow what your body is telling you and have fun!
 
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Thanks for the help all, especially the huge post by 'uppon2'!!!
My form was accessed by my coach numerous times and everything is okay; the 'bar away from body' problem that uppon indicated is what some of the others in my gym do though for some reason I don't as it feels really unnatural for me (also why my shins look fucked and shaved numerous times).

In closing, all good; and thanks for the help :)

-P
 
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