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How much can you chin?

The weight thing is identical, your forearms are the only static body part in both exercises, and in both exercises neither involves lifting the forearms.
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Yeah, but gravity works against the forearms in pull-ups, whereas the dip bars support the forearms (and to a lesser extent, your whole arms & parts of the shoulders) against gravity in dips. If you want to see a demonstration of this support, try dipping on really thin bars.

Anyway, it's not a big deal :)
 
I've managed 15 strict chins at 110kg, and 13 reps at that weight on the bench. Though the bench was done in January so I might get the other 2 reps now.

Bent rows and bench being equal is a good indicator of imbalance as Markos alluded to.
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What if my chinning strength is better than my benching strength? :)

Or by Markos' standards, if I can chin more than dip, or row more than bench?
 
Sorry NPR i dont know your first name ? , but i think yourself and markos have hit the nail on the head ,Rows would be an execent comparrison too.

Kyle I dont understand what your saying??

I feel its quite obvious your back should be stronger than your chest???
 
Kyle, it would be a great thing to have more pulling strength than pressing strength.

There are no downsides to this. The issue as Chris correctly stated is that most bench far too much, as you know, and that leads to shoulder issues. Those issues dont exist if someone is a good puller.

I could always bench a couple of reps more than I could do bent rows with, but the imbalance wasnt massive. I've done 5 chins, wide grip, dead hang with 40kg added to my 90kg frame, thats a little behind to my benching and dipping.
 
Ive done a lot more pulling than pushing over the years, My shoulders and posture thank me so far.
I've achieved, 20 reps at 89kg, 2 with 25kg
proper chin-ups; Full ROM from full stretch... to upper arms in-line with the upper torso, all controlled rep's.
 
Ok just got back from my workout, had to try mr fadi.
One arm chin up.......moved my body about 9inchs....ha ha
very impressive, and im naturally very compititave, So ive set myself a 6 month goal to turn that 9 inchs into half a chin, ha ha.

Silverback , I think your bang on with the whole posture comment, I think if you went to a regular gym , you can spot the guys that are over benching a mile off ,rounded shoulders and back they walk straight past the chin bar and squat and deadlift almost the same weight they press.

These guys are heading for serious future problems and injuries,and half of them sit at a desk most the day too.
 
I weigh 134kg now and on Tuesday night did 6x8reps almost dead hang pull ups (palms facing forward, semi wide grip), then on Thursday night I was bench pressing 135kg and did 3x8 on that... It's pretty even I'd say

Most pullups I've ever done in a row is 12, kinda tough when you weigh what I weigh...
 
chrisp said:
Ok just got back from my workout, had to try mr fadi
One arm chin up.......moved my body about 9inchs....ha ha
very impressive, and im naturally very compititave, So ive set myself a 6 month goal to turn that 9 inchs into half a chin, ha ha.
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Ah you're a funny man Chris, I like you already. And with time you'll be kissing that bar one handed :D!


We sure have us some Hercules on this forum; Nick, Darren, Morgan, and others I'm sure. Awesome!


Fadi.
 
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Just finished in the garage, bodyweight:95kg, I benched 105kg (not as much as other people on here but is my PB i planned on doing this week), chinned bw x 8, +10kg x 4 and for shits and giggles +15kg x 1.
Fadi thats a fair effort to chin 1 armed mate, good stuff.
 
Just had a go - bw is 85kg 1rp bench is 110kg
I benched 85kgs 11times and did 13 wide grip dead hang chins
added another 25kgs and did 6 at 110kg
 
Just out of interest and for discussion, how close should antagonistic exercises be?

I understand the importance of being a balanced lifter, but the joints, and musculature of the human body are not, balanced, far from it.

I think it is a bit narrow minded to simply state that what you can push you should be able to pull, either up down, forwards or backwards. we are no created that way..

We have evolved / de-evolved in the sahpe and structure we are to perform tasks that pertain to the movements we do daily to make us more efficient at those tasks..

Essentially we walk, so using the squat or lunge as the extreme of a step our glutes, quads, and hamies have evolved to make this task easier or more efficient.

If we are to think about the antagonistic to a squat it would be a hanging knee raise, How many of us could do a hanging knee raise with what we squat, plus bw-legs added to it???? Or how many could lift up our foot/toes with the same weight we can do with a calf raise?

Comparing dips and pullups while seems like an antagonistic movement, both exercises actually involved a lot of lat usage, esp if youlean back in the dip, if you lean forward , of cource the pecs, and delts are involved more.

bench and bb rows, the pec is a larger muscle, attached to the ribcage, and to a lesser extent the clavicle, because all teh chest is designed for is pushing the humerous forward, and some rotation downward. The back is a much more complex arrangment of intertwined muscles, and bones, instead of the small clavicle we have large scapula, and the strong spine structure. To me this shows the chest is a strong specialised muscle group for a limited range of movements, But the Back is designed to be under longer periods, of tension, and has been designed to perform lots of different strong movement, The most notable would be the lats for pulling the arms down, or back to basics, swinging through trees! Its not too much of a stretch to see that he lat is the complimentry muscle to the pec, which has evolved to be longer, and stronger. So really back to the first thread, the bench and pullup are kind of antagonistc execises, BB rows use the much smaller muscles of the back, all but a lot more of them.

I think we should exercise, to maintain a good posture, strength is an important part as is stretching the stronger muscle group. BUt we need to be aware that we are not going to be able to mirror movements and weights accordingly.
 
trofius said:
Just out of interest and for discussion, how close should antagonistic exercises be?

I understand the importance of being a balanced lifter, but the joints, and musculature of the human body are not, balanced, far from it.

I think it is a bit narrow minded to simply state that what you can push you should be able to pull, either up down, forwards or backwards. we are no created that way..

We have evolved / de-evolved in the sahpe and structure we are to perform tasks that pertain to the movements we do daily to make us more efficient at those tasks..

Essentially we walk, so using the squat or lunge as the extreme of a step our glutes, quads, and hamies have evolved to make this task easier or more efficient.

If we are to think about the antagonistic to a squat it would be a hanging knee raise, How many of us could do a hanging knee raise with what we squat, plus bw-legs added to it???? Or how many could lift up our foot/toes with the same weight we can do with a calf raise?

Comparing dips and pullups while seems like an antagonistic movement, both exercises actually involved a lot of lat usage, esp if youlean back in the dip, if you lean forward , of cource the pecs, and delts are involved more.

bench and bb rows, the pec is a larger muscle, attached to the ribcage, and to a lesser extent the clavicle, because all teh chest is designed for is pushing the humerous forward, and some rotation downward. The back is a much more complex arrangment of intertwined muscles, and bones, instead of the small clavicle we have large scapula, and the strong spine structure. To me this shows the chest is a strong specialised muscle group for a limited range of movements, But the Back is designed to be under longer periods, of tension, and has been designed to perform lots of different strong movement, The most notable would be the lats for pulling the arms down, or back to basics, swinging through trees! Its not too much of a stretch to see that he lat is the complimentry muscle to the pec, which has evolved to be longer, and stronger. So really back to the first thread, the bench and pullup are kind of antagonistc execises, BB rows use the much smaller muscles of the back, all but a lot more of them.

I think we should exercise, to maintain a good posture, strength is an important part as is stretching the stronger muscle group. BUt we need to be aware that we are not going to be able to mirror movements and weights accordingly.
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Good pick up.
You cannot compare in my opinion, just get your dead arse under the bar and do all forms of pulling...for a healthy back a - you need combination of pullups, rows and all forms of pulls from the floor.
 
Flea said:
palms forward wide grip..
or should i be doing it different?
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Palms facing with a shoulder width, make more inroads into the back.

using a wider grip means the upper arm travels less, making it a shorter ROM.

Pullups using a towel is the ticket, do 15 of these and you are very strong.
 
yeh. i think those goals help to encourage people to push the weights on the less popular exercises. each week people are wanting to improve their bench, but rarely do people get pumped up for a 5rm set of bent over rows.

many people dont aim to improve their chin ups and just do a few random sets at bw, but for bench they have a 6 month periodisation plan.
 
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