alot of people hate wide grip pull ups because they cant do em, i think if you cant do em you arent officially strong,,after my shoulder injury healed they are all ive been doing pull ups and legs lol and this is the best ive felt in a long time, start your pull up routine with sets of 10,,make sure you are doing the widegrip palms facing away,,sets of 10 then sets of 5 then sets of 2 until failure i usually do 150 repsrear delts and back look pretty good atm as do my biceps!!