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[Bella]

No problems here if you post your assets again

lol thanks Mick

Appreciative of your generous support lol

 

[GaiLeDouche]

5700+ posts in 2 months? Wow.


As I said in another thread along these lines, never take recommendations of a plastic and reconstructive surgeons. Look at and research which techniques and products they use. Be aware, you will need a check up every few years to make sure the ladies are in good shape, that means you will need to go back to Argentina/Chile/Thailand etc. every few years instead of locally. If something fucks up, local surgeons will charge you well above their usual rate to fix it up.

Never, ever, get a procedure done by a cosmetic surgeon. That title does not exist, anyone with an MBBS or MD can call themselves one.

Do your own research and look at the hospitals they operate out of. Look at their infection rates and complication rates. Getting medical procedures done overseas is pure stupidity in Australia.

 

[Bella]

5700+ posts in 2 months? Wow.


As I said in another thread along these lines, never take recommendations of a plastic and reconstructive surgeons. Look at and research which techniques and products they use. Be aware, you will need a check up every few years to make sure the ladies are in good shape, that means you will need to go back to Argentina/Chile/Thailand etc. every few years instead of locally. If something fucks up, local surgeons will charge you well above their usual rate to fix it up.

Never, ever, get a procedure done by a cosmetic surgeon. That title does not exist, anyone with an MBBS or MD can call themselves one.

Do your own research and look at the hospitals they operate out of. Look at their infection rates and complication rates. Getting medical procedures done overseas is pure stupidity in Australia.

Good advice GailLeDouche

I wouldn't say going overseas is pure stupidy however? Plenty of people do. The plastic surgery holidays to Thailand and Maylasia have been the fastest growing tourism niche for the last 5 years, especially for Australians, as it's so close to home?

My girlfriend is Chilean, she and her family visit Argentina every year or other year. She was born there and speaks fluent spanish. She was entirely comfortable with the decision she made and more than thrilled with the results. As I mentioned previously, the same Dr has also given her mother a complete overhaul some years ago and her sister had liposuction from the same man on a seperate trip. So he was a trusted source, known for his good work.

But you are correct in that this decision is a very individual one and adequate research needs to be done, on the Dr's/the surgery and the ratio of success to 5 year success/complications, post surgery. I would assume for anyone venturing down this path, this would be a given?

This is purely cosmetic, elective surgery. There is nothing wrong with these people that they require medical intervention. They are making a choice to have a procedure done and all surgical procedures carry a risk.

Mocha has been thinking about this for a long time, I'm sure we, as a forum, are just a sounding board for her - she's a clever cookie. I'm certain she is doing, has done and will continue to do a large amount of research before making a decision on how she will move forward.

In the end, we're all different and some people choose to go off-shore, others don't. And they all have their own reasons. Nobody is stupid, we're human. That's all

And yes, I have a large post count...?

A transformation picture which imo is pretty darn good performed by an American plastic surgeon currently working out of and leading the reconstructive section of the largest hospital dedicated to this elective surgery, in Thailand. The woman in the picture, is a 29yo Australian.

 

[GaiLeDouche]

Good advice GailLeDouche

I wouldn't say going overseas is pure stupidy however? Plenty of people do. The plastic surgery holidays to Thailand and Maylasia have been the fastest growing tourism niche for the last 5 years, especially for Australians, as it's so close to home?

My girlfriend is Chilean, she and her family visit Argentina every year or other year. She was born there and speaks fluent spanish. She was entirely comfortable with the decision she made and more than thrilled with the results. As I mentioned previously, the same Dr has also given her mother a complete overhaul some years ago and her sister had liposuction from the same man on a seperate trip. So he was a trusted source, known for his good work.

But you are correct in that this decision is a very individual one and adequate research needs to be done, on the Dr's/the surgery and the ratio of success to 5 year success/complications, post surgery. I would assume for anyone venturing down this path, this would be a given?

This is purely cosmetic, elective surgery. There is nothing wrong with these people that they require medical intervention. They are making a choice to have a procedure done and all surgical procedures carry a risk.

Mocha has been thinking about this for a long time, I'm sure we, as a forum, are just a sounding board for her - she's a clever cookie. I'm certain she is doing, has done and will continue to do a large amount of research before making a decision on how she will move forward.

In the end, we're all different and some people choose to go off-shore, others don't. And they all have their own reasons. Nobody is stupid, we're human. That's all

And yes, I have a large post count...?

A transformation picture which imo is pretty darn good performed by an American plastic surgeon currently working out of and leading the reconstructive section of the largest hospital dedicated to this elective surgery, in Thailand. The woman in the picture, is a 29yo Australian.

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Photo's don't mean shit. Ultrasounds show the true work of a surgeon, as do full inspections of the area. Photos from certain angles hide entry scars.

A lot of people assume that people have thought of the consequences, or have looked at all options from all surgeons. Reality is, the vast majority don't, especially for cosmetic procedures, thanks to reality TV, is now thought of as safe. A same-day, lunch time, service. Not one that carries a disproportional risk to benefit.

I personally would never take a Chilean doctor over an Australian one. Nor would I take a Chilean hospital over an Australian one. Their infection rates are sky high, and the training of the nurses in South America is terrible.

Finally, just because the health tourism to SEA has increased, does not mean it is a good idea. The photo's you show of an American Surgeon, what is his record in the US? Why did he move his practice to SEA? Lower standard of living, lower wage. These things, you can't request from the boards (mainly because international trained doctors don't join them). You can request them from surgical boards in Australia, US and UK.

Would you go overseas to save money on a CABG? Fuck no. Would you go overseas to save on a rhinoplasty? Fuck yes.

That reasoning, is stupid.

 

[Bella]

Photo's don't mean shit. Ultrasounds show the true work of a surgeon, as do full inspections of the area. Photos from certain angles hide entry scars.

A lot of people assume that people have thought of the consequences, or have looked at all options from all surgeons. Reality is, the vast majority don't, especially for cosmetic procedures, thanks to reality TV, is now thought of as safe. A same-day, lunch time, service. Not one that carries a disproportional risk to benefit.

I personally would never take a Chilean doctor over an Australian one. Nor would I take a Chilean hospital over an Australian one. Their infection rates are sky high, and the training of the nurses in South America is terrible.

Finally, just because the health tourism to SEA has increased, does not mean it is a good idea. The photo's you show of an American Surgeon, what is his record in the US? Why did he move his practice to SEA? Lower standard of living, lower wage. These things, you can't request from the boards (mainly because international trained doctors don't join them). You can request them from surgical boards in Australia, US and UK.

Would you go overseas to save money on a CABG? Fuck no. Would you go overseas to save on a rhinoplasty? Fuck yes.

That reasoning, is stupid.

lol

I see your point and I'm not advocating for people to go overseas, all I can speak of is my girlfriends experience and it's been a good one for her entire family. Let's remember that they essentially went 'home' to have their procedures done, so I don't think they saw it as much of a risk as you're pointing out.

I agree with you, people need to do their research. Personally, I would never have elective cosmetic surgery....my list is way too extensive lol I'd spend the rest of my life trying to pay it off

I'm happy enough, being exactly who I am. But I am a supporter and advocate of people doing exactly what's right for them too? Everyone is different.

You've certainly raised some valid points for Mocha and any others considering surgery to think over.

Oh and I don't know why the US surgeon is over there, perhaps because they invited him, with his expertise to run the reconstructive division? I believe he actually helps alot more disfigured people and burns victims and children with cleft palate - than he does breast augmentation. But he is well regarded and held in high esteem.

I suppose you could say, why is their a Doctors Without Borders? Or why did Fred Hollows donate so much of his time and energy to a cause that didn't profit him much directly at all? The answer? Who knows. Maybe it looks good on the credentials? Maybe they feel they need to give back? Maybe they're truly just good people? lol

I don't know.

What I do know, is this, like any other decision to do with the body, is a very personal one. Adequate research absolutely needs to be done, prior to determining to go through with anything.

I can say, firsthand....my girlfriend was always beautiful, but certainly lacked esteem because of her flat chest.

She's like a new human being now. So...if changing a part of your body, is able to make you feel that much better about who you are and how you exist in the world? Well...why not? Good for them, I say.

 

[GaiLeDouche]

I suppose you could say, why is their a Doctors Without Borders? Or why did Fred Hollows donate so much of his time and energy to a cause that didn't profit him much directly at all? The answer? Who knows. Maybe it looks good on the credentials? Maybe they feel they need to give back? Maybe they're truly just good people? lol

I'd hardly put Fred Hollows and Médecins Sans Frontières in the same group as someone doing mammoplasty in Thailand. One continues to get paid a shitload of dough, living it up in a 3rd world country, getting paid to do procedures while in Thailand. The others get paid peanuts and live in shithouse conditions, getting paid nothing extra for their procedures.

 

[Bella]

I'd hardly put Fred Hollows and Médecins Sans Frontières in the same group as someone doing mammoplasty in Thailand. One continues to get paid a shitload of dough, living it up in a 3rd world country, getting paid to do procedures while in Thailand. The others get paid peanuts and live in shithouse conditions, getting paid nothing extra for their procedures.

lol well I don't know how he lives GaiLeDouche? As I mentioned, I know he does more cleft palates and reconstruction on burn victims than anything else? So I don't know.

But it's not an argument, I agree with all you said. All I am saying is, different people seek out different things for their own reasons. And plenty of people seek out surgery options overseas.

That doesn't make them stupid

Plenty of people suffer and die right here in Australia from complications of cosmetic/reconstructive surgery?

My mother had breast cancer, a full mastectomy was performed, she had reconstructive surgery 5 years into her remission. The year before she died, both implants had leaked and had to be removed amidst many years of discomfort and cycles of infection.

Her surgeon was one of the very best according to Australian standards?

So forgive me, but everyone is entitled to an opinion and people have options. Nobody should be called stupid for exploring those options.

Anyway, enough. Hopefully Mocha thinks on the parts of this discussion that are relevant for her.

 

[GaiLeDouche]

Plenty of people suffer and die right here in Australia from complications of cosmetic/reconstructive surgery?

both implants had leaked and had to be removed

I wouldn't say plenty. There are currently no statistics on the mortality rate because any random hack can perform a procedure.

That is, sadly, a risk factor of many implants. If your mother got that done overseas instead of in Australia. Corrections are not covered by medicare, nor private health insurance (well, some do cover it due to breast cancer). Inside of Australia (depending on timeframe) it would have been covered by the Surgeon. It's like buying anything from overseas, rarely can you take it to any shop here and get it fixed.

edit: You may have noticed, but this is a bit of a 'touching a nerve' issue for me. A lot of public hospitals have wasted their money on fixing up dodgy breast jobs girls have got overseas. Now it looks like the PIP implants will be covered by medicare. Wasting a very small health budget fixing up elective surgery, performed overseas.

 

[Bella]

I wouldn't say plenty. There are currently no statistics on the mortality rate because any random hack can perform a procedure.

That is, sadly, a risk factor of many implants. If your mother got that done overseas instead of in Australia. Corrections are not covered by medicare, nor private health insurance (well, some do cover it due to breast cancer). Inside of Australia (depending on timeframe) it would have been covered by the Surgeon. It's like buying anything from overseas, rarely can you take it to any shop here and get it fixed.

No, she had it done right here in Oz. By one of the most renowned Australian reconstructive surgeons in the country. That experience left her more scarred emotionally than the cancer itself. The didn't need to fix it, my mother died within 6 months of both implants needing complete removal.

The fight was left to my 3 brothers and I to have to endure on her behalf. And we fought. Long and hard. In circumstances like this, there are no 'winners', regardless of the outcome.

 

[kaz]

Man I'd love implants....
When mine were bigger they got in the way, choked me, hurt my back and neck, gave me headaches....
My mum and cousin have both had reductions as we all have the big boob gene
But I miss my big boobies.... will continue with silicone chicken breasts to stuff in my bras....

Can't fathom the $10k+ surgery and I'd never go overseas.

 

[wingman]

Can't fathom the $10k+ surgery

But you can for your pets?

 

[kaz]

But you can for your pets?

Yeah.... but she's so cute......

 

[Lfs2shrt2bsml]

decided it was needed.. teasing otherwise

 

[JazDSpaz]

My wife has 32 GG and she hates the give her the worst back problems, she would get rid of then instantly if she could.

 

[Bella]

My wife has 32 GG and she hates the give her the worst back problems, she would get rid of then instantly if she could.

Holy shit, that's big for a small frame Jaz. Has she looked into breast reduction? She'd probably qualify under medicare for almost a full rebate given that they cause her physical pain and if she can get a Dr to say they're the cause of back issues, headaches and neck tension - she'd be a shoe in?

 

[JazDSpaz]

Holy shit, that's big for a small frame Jaz. Has she looked into breast reduction? She'd probably qualify under medicare for almost a full rebate given that they cause her physical pain and if she can get a Dr to say they're the cause of back issues, headaches and neck tension - she'd be a shoe in?

I dunno man, I wanted to save up and surprise her wit it then looked and it was 12k ad 8k with private health cover :/ if you know anything else loop holes that'll help or anything shoot us a PM and yeh she's very tiny maybe 5"2 or 5"3

 

[mocha]

I dunno man, I wanted to save up and surprise her wit it then looked and it was 12k ad 8k with private health cover :/ if you know anything else loop holes that'll help or anything shoot us a PM and yeh she's very tiny maybe 5"2 or 5"3

poor thing.. im sure what bella said was right.. there are many ways now.. espesh if they are that big

 

[Bella]

I dunno man, I wanted to save up and surprise her wit it then looked and it was 12k ad 8k with private health cover :/ if you know anything else loop holes that'll help or anything shoot us a PM and yeh she's very tiny maybe 5"2 or 5"3

farrk she's got some big bazoongas for such a little lass!

Look into medicare, they will definitely cover it, but she'll need to have a referral from a Dr stating that her breasts cause her chronic back and neck pain and are a hindrance to her every day life. Give medicare a call, speak with them generally about it and ask the questions? I'm absolutely certain you will get the majority if not all of it covered if she can get a Dr to come to the party for her. And by the sounds of it, it won't be difficult to do. GG's on such a tiny lass are obviously WAY bigger than her frame can sustain.

Look into it Jaz! You'll be husband of the year lol

 

[kaz]

My cousin had hers reduced, cost her nothing but had to go on a waiting list with public hospital system

 

[wingman]

My cousin had hers reduced, cost her nothing but had to go on a waiting list with public hospital system

For this you need to prove it's medically needed as opposed to cosmetic, right?