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About becoming a personal trainer

Is the the PT industry saturated and pushing wages down or are there alot of opportunitys out there for PTs?
In the UK there are ALOT of 16-18yr olds doing it as they can get the courses free so the wages are going down and down unless you specialise in an area

Kyle has mentioned both the hourly rate he's paid for floor hours and his clients further back in the thread, I'm not awake enough to search them out atm though. If I remember correctly the floor time rate was 20something an hour... I remember not thinking much of it, simply due to the fact that I can go out and get a warehouse job @ 25-35 an hour and be a mindless drone 40 hours a week for 'decent' pay.

The money will always be in your clients, not whatever token amount the gym pays you (if anything at all - if you rent gym space/time ala FF I don't think you get paid... don't know for certain though). This is a good thing, in theory - terrible PT = no clients = finds another way to put food on the table. Great PT = clients galore (if you can sell yourself well!) = thrives.
 
Is the the PT industry saturated and pushing wages down or are there alot of opportunitys out there for PTs?
You have three basic career pathways as a PT,
  1. be self-employed, build a gym in your garage, etc - nice to be in control, now where do I get clients? Typical charges $40-$100/hr for individuals (lower end in outer suburbs or rural, upper end in inner city) , or $10-15/hr for each person at a bootcamp, etc.
  2. join a mainstream commercial gym, this is just like being self-employed, they pay you no wages, you pay rent, you get a chunk of the client fees - but you don't have to work as hard to find your own clients, and you don't have to do as much paperwork. Easy to get into.
  3. join a community gym, do some general gym instructor shifts, and PT, group fitness or whatever on top of that - harder to get employed here, each job will attract 30-100 resumes, though most of them will be discarded quickly and whittled down to 10 phonecalls, 5 interviews, and 2-3 practical interviews
A community gym will pay around $25/hr for the gym shifts, and $35/hr for the PT sessions, it's $40-$60/hr for group fitness. Somewhere like the YMCA will pay a bit less, but the hours will be more steady. A council-run place will pay more, including +25% on weekends, +150% on public holidays, etc - but the hours will be less steady, most councils would be hard-pressed to organise a piss-up in a brewery.

In most cases, it'll be a part-time job to start with. You may have 1-2 x4hr regular gym instructor shifts each week - and then every couple of weeks someone will be sick or on leave and there'll be another 2-3 shifts to grab.

As for the PT side, if you can get a new client every 1-2 weeks you're doing alright, allowing for some drifting off or having only short-term goals (weddings are common), after 12 months you'll have around 20 clients. At 1.5-2 half-hour sessions a week each, that's 15-20hr PT.

By that stage the manager will have given you more gym shifts. So you'd be looking at a week of,
3-5 x 4hr shifts = 12-20hr GI x $25 = $300-$500
15-20hr PT x $35 = $525-$700
for $825-$1,200 weekly before tax

That's assuming that you put your hand up for the extra shifts, and you're active in finding PT clients. If you're a lazy slug who stands around the gym desk chatting to your mates, or if you're shy, well you'll be stuck with 1-2 GI shifts and no PT clients.

Thus, many GI/PTs have two or more jobs.

Mainstream commercial gyms pay more for your PT sessions, but you have no other hours to fall back on, making the first few months pretty rough financially.

Rottee said:
In the UK there are ALOT of 16-18yr olds doing it as they can get the courses free so the wages are going down and down unless you specialise in an area
Here no-one under 18 will be employed by gyms. There are a heap of young clueless ones, they get put on by the mainstream commercial gyms, paying rent, and in six months they're trying to squirm out of the contract, they walk away and never come back to the fitness industry.

They do badly, because quite simply nobody is going to listen to someone under 25, unless of course that person has a strong athletics or sports background which is well-known in the gym. For example, Markos (PTC), his son Max, if he wanted to he could do well in gyms, he is young but he's set world records in lifts, and he has a good physique, so people will listen to him. But the typical 18-25yo has NFI - no fckin' idea.

As moons says, you can get a warehouse job for roughly the same pay. It's a matter of what you enjoy, your work or your money. If I'd been in a warehouse for the last three months I'd've walked under a forklift by now to end my misery, and any extra money I'd earned would have gone to the pub to forget my sorrows.

I enjoy my job, working with people, making them more aware of their own bodies, helping them reach their goals. It sounds cliched but it's true. People become confident because they did difficult things they thought they couldnt do - and I helped that, that feels good.

Money's a secondary thing for me, I was making more in my last job.
 
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My strongest woman client no longer trains with me.

Originally she was 75kg, low 30s% bodyfat, could manage 3 knee pushups. She was pigeon-toed, and her general demeanour was, well, not happy and confident.

She was very dedicated to training, she kept working out while I was away on my honeymoon, during workouts she never wanted to know the target reps, "Just tell me when to stop."

After 7 months she was 69kg, ~18% bodyfat, could (roughly) powerclean 75kg and then front squat it for 5 reps, put 40kg overhead for 5 reps, deadlift 107.5kg for 3 reps, and do 5 dead-hang neutral grip chinups. Her feet turned to parallel and she could now go for runs, and her demeanour was much more bubbly and confident.

Last week she rang me up. "I have to stop training."
"Why?"
"I am too strong."
"..."
"Seriously."
"How did you decide this?"
"My boyfriend kept talking about how strong I was, he was wrestling me and stuff and I just pushed him away, he challenged me to an arm wrestle, finally I gave in and did it, and I won."
"Was it close?"
"No, I slammed his hand right down on the table, he was really pissed off."
"So what training will you do now instead of working with me?"
"None."

She wouldn't say much more. It's a great pity. I'm hoping that after a few weeks or months she'll miss working out and being strong, and come back to it. Such a waste.
 
Her boyfriend should man the **** up and start getting stronger himself instead of complaining about something good she has done.
 
He was probably more scared that she's gona attract more Men and she'll leave him, lol

Nice work Kyle on her results!
 
How weak must he be. Is she the nice Asian girl I met at the CAPO Nats Kyle?
No, that was Alice. I trained her for a little while, but when I found her she was already strong, I just tidied up a few form issues and gave her some encouragement, such as getting her to the CAPO Nats. She's now gone out bush for her work, she's at the beginning of her career and of course must focus on that.

Stacey I trained from beginning to end, she has a steady job and so on, nothing is stopping her.
 
I have a client I've worked with for several months, he's never been a member of a gym, he had a PT once for a while but they just did swiss ball stuff and ran around a lot (take a 165kg guy and get him into a pushup position on the swiss ball, or take him for a run, brilliant ideas both). He's the same one who cut off his trackpants into shorts in the gym, great guy. Anyway, most of what he knows about training came from me.

The other day in the gym he said, "Kyle, what the fck is that thing?"
"That's a Smith machine."
"What do they use it for? I saw a guy squatting on it, but it looked wrong somehow."
"It's designed to destroy your knees. Try it if you want."
He jumped under the bar, unhooked it, went down six inches, shook his head, stood back up, hooked up the bar. "That felt wrong. I only did half a rep, but it just felt wrong."

Same guy has some knee issues (patellar maltracking leading to inflammation, needs to rest the patella and do some special exercises), the physio's orders are to not squat or deadlift for two weeks, he can leg press to 90 degrees only. He was doing those. "Fck, I feel so weak doing these."
"Actually that's the way most people do them."
"They must be pussies. Why don't they go to the squat rack?"
"It can be a bit daunting. Just imagine if you'd been doing this for six months and then went and squatted."
"I'd fall over just trying to lift the bar."
"There you go."
"This feels wrong, I never sat down during training before."
 
Today I was running a PT session and a gym member I'd given a routine to was training nearby. He was quite overweight and had terrible bodily awareness, so I started him with a simple leg press, seated row, overhead press and a couple of others I don't remember.

During the showthrough he was on the leg press: pound-pound-pound. "Slow it down a bit."
He was watching the weight stack go up and down, turned away from me, head going up and down. POUND-POUND-POUND.
"Mate. Slooooow."
POUND-POUND-POUND.
"Hey!" I called him by name, touched his leg. "Stop! Listen to me."
"Huh?" he looked surprised, as though I'd woken him up from an afternoon nap. "What?"
"Slow it down. Quality not quantity, quantity can come later. I want you to go up and down on my count, like this - UP! two-three-four DOWN! two-three-four -"
POUND-POUND-POUND, head going up and down.

Since he did not seem very switched on, I'd written out his next 12 workouts for him, weight, sets and reps, workout #1 do this, workout #2 do that, etc. He was absolutely dripping with sweat.

"How's your workout going?" I asked.
"This is hard!" he said, "I've never done over 100 reps before."
"And you're not supposed to be doing 100 reps now."
"Yes I am, it says here. First 3 sets of 6 at 20kg, then 3 sets of 7, then 3 sets of 8, then I up the weight to 22.5kg and do 3 sets of 6, and -"
"Mate, as I told you when I gave it to you, those are different days. This column is your first workout, the next column is your next workout, and so on."
He paused, closed his eyes and walked away.
 
Lol Kyle that's hilarious. Gotta love some of the stuff that is common sense to some people but no clue to others.
 
Had a tiny situation with a PT tonight at the footy club.

This guy weighs about 60kg. He introduced himself and said he was to help me and the conditioning staff. He asked if I had everything under control. In front of us was 15 footballers going through my KB complex, and another 30 lined up waiting to go.

In the gym I had a few who are in rehab squatting, box jumps with vests etc.

I said everything was cool. He poked around asking about what I do and whether I had the lifters 6 week plan written out.

When I finished with him, he said he'll just help with the running stuff outside.

What a f u c k wit, he rolled up in his Gym Chains uniform, with his name printed on the back, no it didnt say f u c k wit

Simon didnt introduce him, he just sent him in to see me. I think he was laughing under his breath. He already knows what I'm like
 
He's a guy. I wont repeat the conversation.

He came over to gloat with his PT shirt on.

Big mistake, but I was discreet, no footballers heard anything
 
I spoke to Simon about him today. Simon said he told him he was keen to learn off me. I guess he spoke to Simon AFTER our conversation.

Simon said he'll keep him outside away from me
 
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