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Does Olympic weightlifting build strength?
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wingman
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I would contend that the olympic lifts do not build strength. In the link you've provided they're not suggesting it does either. They're suggesting that being stronger is better, which is common sense I would have thought.
Olympic lifts do demonstrate / display strength, which is a lot different from building it. They do however build power, coordination, speed. And they're fun to do
Olympic lifts do demonstrate / display strength, which is a lot different from building it. They do however build power, coordination, speed. And they're fun to do
RyanF
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I think doing heavy cleans, jerks and snatches will improve strength in and of themselves (at least for beginners), but they're certainly not the best strength builders out there. Once technique is good, strength will probably be the most controllable factor for increasing the olympic lift numbers, and that strength will come most effectively with simpler, brute strength type lifts.
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Fadi
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Yes but... not absolute strength. The squat lift that it utilised by Olympic weightlifters is done so solely for its absolute strength delivery, an attribute every Olympic lifter needs to have. However Olympic weightlifters are power athletes above all else, where speed/explosiveness of movement takes precedence. For pure/absolute strength, one needs to look at a power lifter, where power/explosiveness in a lift is not a requirement.
It was certainly unfortunate when a power lifter decided to take exception to my stating that there’s no room for a deadlift in an Olympic weightlifter’s program. By dead lift here, I’m speaking of balls to the wall heavy dead lifting (for pure strength gains). What an Olympic weightlifter needs most is power in his pulls, and that cannot be achieved by utilising a pure and an absolute strength movement such as the mighty dead lift (mighty when it’s used for its intended purpose by a power lifter). An Olympic weightlifter on the other hand would be much better served by utilising explosive pulls off the floor as is evident by Olympic weightlifters worldwide. However even then, there are coaches such as the magnificent Bulgarian coach Mr Ivan Abadjiev, who reduced the Olympic weightlifter’s supplementary lifts to no more than one or two, namely the front squat, and if injured, then the back squat was used instead. But nothing except the snatch, clean & jerk, and front squat was used when the Bulgarians were dominating the world of Olympic weightlifting. One of the reason given for not including even the clean and snatch pulls was that the line of travel could be wrong resulting in a bad habit becoming worse. No one has to agree with this way of coaching, but none can deny the results achieved.
Fadi.
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catastrophic
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Too Fadi's point I know Pendlay does not prescribe heavy Deads to his guys as he feels the lifters spine often ends up in flexion and limits the carry over to Oly Lift.s
Fadi
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Fact: Olympic weightlifters would often pull a weight that is approximately 10% over their 1RM. For me back in the early 80s, that translated into performing few sets of 3s with about 170-180kg. Best C&J at that time was 160kg. So why only 10% over the lifter's 1RM and not (say) 20,30 or more percentage over? Because speed/explosiveness can not be maintained with a weight that is too heavy, in addition to losing lift form and risking a lower back injury.
Fadi.
Fadi
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No, no vids Deep. Things have certainly changed since those early days though. What with mobile phones these days that have 8mb cameras built within!
When I came back in 2010, someone did make a vid of my lifts, but I haven’t seen it. I don't seem to be lucky when it comes to making vids, as was the case when I was learning to fly, the instructor goes: "Oh, I left the video camera back in the office...!"
Oh well, never mind.
Fadi.
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PowerBuilder
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fadi, I am struggling with being a little slow in my first pull....while the rest of the lift is fast. Would lighter[/I pulls fix this? By lighter I mean 90-100% of my max lift......
wingman
Super M0derator
Do you have any of these in your workouts?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqcTAY5eL1Y]150kg snatch pull - YouTube[/ame]
PowerBuilder
New member
Do you mean 'do I do 150kg snatch pulls?
I have pulls every now and again. Tho my program is built on a 4 day schedule and i only get in 1-2 days....I miss a lot of work.
I have pulls every now and again. Tho my program is built on a 4 day schedule and i only get in 1-2 days....I miss a lot of work.