sticky/cata/freako/bazza/other strength guys
what do you guys think of starting strength? to little volume for a beginner? to little back work?
Just to add to this - I think especially for OHP for me without a higher volume I was never going anywhere with that lift. Followed some advice Goosey made in a thread and am now at merely a pathetic 60 kg's OHP as opposed to struggling with 50.I did it when i was a novice (first time around) and worked out with others who were doing it too.
Heres the thing. Most people consider it massive volume (various other forums confirm this) and therefor recommend doing nothing alongside it eg assistance/conditioning. This is because its aimed at beginners who either dont have a clue about recovery, are severely untrained or both.
Reality is its actually pretty low volume. In my experience, novices flourish on higher volume work.
When youre a beginner its really the only time you can train balls out with no negative effects
When youre a beginner its really the only time you can train balls out with no negative effects
This isn't actually an attempt to answer your questions (which would probably be a foolish move for me to attempt, anyway), but your post did get me thinking....sticky/cata/freako/bazza/other strength guys
what do you guys think of starting strength? to little volume for a beginner? to little back work?
^ Hi Nick
Enjoy the rookie gains while you can. Shit gets harder and harder down the track.
Bugger. I think I've been doing chins with my triceps for 20 years, certainly wasn't my lats anyway.
Yeah Darkoz I have always fixed the shoulder with my elbows about at my forehead and lowered the bar behind my head. There is no movement at the shoulder and at full extension my arms are at about 45 degrees. Don't see the point of ending with the arms vertical, there is no resistance at lockout like that. I'd rather keep some tension in the muscle throughout.
Bams, meant to ask; you don't train at ESP do you?
Makes them 50x harder to do that way lol
The other way I've found effective is the way Louie Simmons recommends which is to lower the bar just above the throat whilst lifting the elbows as high as possible then extending from there. Keeps tension at the bottom but not lockout unless you don't fully extend
Dave Tate and that Mountain Dog Training guy suggest using thicker (eg 50mm) attachments/bars for Tricep work as you're less likely to recruit other muscle vs a standard size (28-30mm). Never tried it myself, or know of anyone personally who has tried it but an interesting concept none-the-less
lol No I think you've probably been doing them right mate, as long as you weren't kipping. The long head of the tri wont contribute much when doing pullups, even less with chins.
The only thing I didn't like was Ripp saying it's ok to be "out of control" of the movement. I think some could take it the wrong way.
Bams, meant to ask; you don't train at ESP do you?
Dave Tate and that Mountain Dog Training guy suggest using thicker (eg 50mm) attachments/bars for Tricep work as you're less likely to recruit other muscle vs a standard size (28-30mm). Never tried it myself, or know of anyone personally who has tried it but an interesting concept none-the-less
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