Bams, lined up a PL comp yet?
Haha I'm not sure whether I was serious or not with that post all I know is that I have done pullups (bad habit of calling them chins) for years without getting much lat development out of it. Always tried to isolate the biceps out of the movement as much as possible and thought the lats had to be doing the rest but it mustn't be that simple. I was never kipping ... don't like that idea much.
The last year or so I have fixed it up a bit and the back is beginning to catch up.
I've trained there a few times over the last couple of months. I usually train alone, so it's good to get some better lifters looking at form etc. Great bunch of guys. How'd you know that btw? Didn't think anybody on here trained there?
The bigger diameter attachments/bars generally won't let you to take a full grip around the bar or you'll have to use a false grip. Now the forearms are somewhat taken out of the equation and biceps too due to irradiation effects. Less opposition from the antagonist means a greater potential for recruitment for the tri's.
It could be a few things that has your "lat development" lagging. Do you start dead hang? Do you use a thumbs around the bar grip or straps? Do you go chin to bar or chest to bar?
If pull-ups are not giving you the lat development you want, stop figuring out what you're doing wrong and try another exercise until you find one that works
Fadi and Gooby both like pullovers. I've never done them but they seem like a good logical choice
Have you tried just going for a max pump in the lats?
Follow this up with some rack pulls at knee height for a death set of 20 reps with something really heavy
If your lats don't grow from that then you probably have some sort of weird disease lol. That's what DC training suggests for bringing up the lats. Banded pullovers seem awesome, anything that gives a decent pump will be good - as much as it pains me to say that in the PL section lel. You can do pullovers with a straight bar on the cable machine as well, it will look like unracking a barbell but you're standing up if you get me. I see a lot of people doing that exercise
I would see what Gooby has to say about it
I'm a bit like you Bull
For me pull ups are a good substitute for curls
Back exercise not so much
Oni what you are describing is a straight arm lat pulldown
I have trouble feeling them at all. I'm not likely to be able to pump them up under those conditions. Maybe half a dozen times in 20 years have I walked out of a gym with a pump in my lats.
I have self diagnosed with fat lat syndrome. It's a bit like ILS but different. When I'm fat, I think I have a back but then when I get lean it disappears again.
I have done all sorts of stuff over the years. Deadlifted 200 for reps, barbell rows up to 140, weighted pullups, none of it did much for me. I shifted the weight without using the muscles I was supposed to. The best results have come from light weights and perfect form, slow reps and squeezing until I can feel a burn. Have been doing that for over 12 months now and I think I'm making progress. Have to wait until I lose a bit of condition to find out for sure though, it might evaporate again.
What do you do for lats Graeme?
All I'm doing at the moment is the deadlifts with the pause at mid shin to work on tightness and my lats are always sore and are growing quite well lol
Your lifter didn't pull sumo last night Ben......
Of course I have read them, and I think SS is a good start..... Even though I think the inclusion of cleans is retarded.
Doesn't change the fact he isn't a PL coach.
Sir, have you given cable tricep extensions (with its different variants) a good go? Just curious, and sorry if you already stated one way or the other, I just read your post and nothing else.On pullovers, machine pullovers I would do if I had access to a machine, dumbell pullovers are much less likely to lead to anything significant unless I could stand on my head. I have been using bands to try to replicate a machine pullover for a while and I like them.
Sir, have you given cable tricep extensions (with its different variants) a good go? Just curious, and sorry if you already stated one way or the other, I just read your post and nothing else.
Fadi.
No Fadi, I haven't done lying extensions with a cable. I have been doing straight arm pulldowns with bands.
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