Milk? What to believe...

[Christian]

... The answer to that i dont know.


For the majority of us Milk and its products are a crucial component to our diet.

So what do we believe?

Discuss.

Say 'No Way' To
Milk Whey Protein
[SIZE=+1]From Robert Cohen
notmilk@earthlink.net
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[SIZE=+1]After fat and casein are removed from milk, dairy processors are left with whey protein. Whey is composed of bovine blood proteins. Serum albumen. Lactalbumen. Dead white blood cells. Hormonal residues including estrogen and progesterone.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]The body's reaction to a foreign protein is to destroy that antigen-like invader with an antibody. For those individuals unfortunate enough to possess a genetic pre-disposition to such an event, the antibody then turns upon one's own cells. That is what is known as an auto-immune response.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]In the case of diabetes and Multiple Sclerosis (MS), the body's response to whey proteins is to attack the outer membrane protecting nerve cells, or the myelin sheath.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]It has long been established that early exposure to bovine proteins is a trigger for insulin dependent diabetes mellitus. Researchers have made that same milk consumption connection to MS. The July 30, 1992 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine first reported the diabetes autoimmune response milk connection:[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"Patients with insulin dependent diabetes mellitus produce antibodies to cow milk proteins that participate in the development of islet dysfunction... Taken as a whole, our findings suggest that an active response in patients with IDDM (to the bovine protein) is a feature of the auto-immune response."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]On December 14, 1996, The Lancet revealed:[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"Cow's milk proteins are unique in one respect: in industrialized countries they are the first foreign proteins entering the infant gut, since most formulations for babies are cow milk-based. The first pilot stage of our IDD prevention study found that oral exposure to dairy milk proteins in infancy resulted in both cellular and immune response...this suggests the possible importance of the gut immune system to the pathogenesis of IDD."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]THE MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS/MILK CONNECTION[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]The April 1, 2001 issue of the Journal of Immunology contained a study linking MS to milk consumption.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Michael Dosch, M.D., and his team of researchers determined that multiple sclerosis and type I (juvenile) diabetes mellitus are far more closely linked than previously thought. Dosch attributes exposure to cow milk protein as a risk factor in the development of both diseases for people who are genetically susceptible. According to Dosch:[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"We found that immunologically, type I diabetes and multiple sclerosis are almost the same - in a test tube you can barely tell the two diseases apart. We found that the autoimmunity was not specific to the organ system affected by the disease. Previously it was thought that in MS autoimmunity would develop in the central nervous system, and in diabetes it would only be found in the pancreas. We found that both tissues are targeted in each disease."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Multiple sclerosis affects approximately 300,000 Americans. Two-thirds of those diagnosed with MS are women. Most researchers believe that MS is an autoimmune disease. Auto means "self."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]WHO DOES NOT GET MS?[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]It is interesting to note that Eskimos and Bantus (50 million individuals living in East Africa) rarely get MS. Neither do those native North and South American Indian or Asian populations who consume no cow's milk or dairy products.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]WHO GETS MS?[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]The British medical journal Lancet reported that dairy-rich diets filled have been closely linked to the development of MS. (The Lancet 1974;2:1061)[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]A study published in the journal Neuroepidemiology revealed an association between eating dairy foods and an increased prevalence of MS. (Neuroepidemiology 1992;11:304Â-12.)[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]MS researcher, Luther Lindner, M.D., a pathologist at Texas A & M University College of Medicine, wrote:[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"It might be prudent to limit the intake of milk and milk products."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Women are targeted by dairy industry scare tactics that offer misinformation regarding osteoporosis. Two-thirds of MS victims are women. As milk and cheese consumption increase along population lines, so too does an epidemic number of MS cases. The numbers add up. The clues add up. The science supports epidemiological studies. Got diabetes? Got MS? The milk connection has been established.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Whey protein? Say no way![/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Robert Cohen[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]http://www.notmilk.com[/SIZE]

 

[stralian]

Fadi's posted some info that's anti-milk before, and I believe that it said Casein was bad and whey was good.

So now there are three sides to the argument
Milk is fine
Whey in milk is bad
Casein in milk is bad.

The plot thickens...

Just to throw some more madness out there, I have read a book that says milk is bad because it gives you osteoporosis...justified by the fact starving Africans don't get the disease and don't drink milk.

 

[Christian]

Well that wouldnt be the results of milk but protein in general.

Protein stops calcium absorbtion.

 

[JDizzle]

Not another milk thread

Let me drink my milk in peace. Easiest 1500 calories of my daily diet

Heres a quote for you

Cow's milk is an unhealthy fluid from diseased animals that contains a wide range of dangerous and disease-causing substances that have a cumulative negative effect on all who consume it.

MILK'S BASIC CONTENTS

*ALL* cow's milk (regular and 'organic') has 59 active hormones, scores of allergens, fat and cholesterol.

Most cow's milk has measurable quantities of herbicides, pesticides, dioxins (up to 200 times the safe levels), up to 52 powerful antibiotics (perhaps 53, with LS-50), blood, pus, feces, bacteria and viruses. (Cow's milk can have traces of anything the cow ate... including such things as radioactive fallout from nuke testing ... (the 50's strontium-90 problem).

Now, im due for my midday 500ml of full fat UNorganic radio active milk!

 

[Goosey]

How much does Cohen squat?

Diseased meat
pestiside ridden friut and veg, milks bad for you, blah blah
You'll make yourself sick worrying about it.

 

[Ben]

I drink between 3 and 4 litres a day, never felt better.

 

[Spewbucket]

Tastes unreal and I get as much free milk as I want at work!

Who could argue against that?

 

[Fadi]

Not another milk thread

Let me drink my milk in peace. Easiest 1500 calories of my daily diet

Can't argue from that point of view; it's always easier to drink food than eat it.

All the best to you...leaving you in peace .


Fadi.

 

[Tall_Tim]

Tastes unreal and I get as much free milk as I want at work!

Is that how you got your username?

 

[Jman_898]

lol after all these threads about milk, it would be interesting if there was just a final poll for how many people drink milk and how many dont... we have all read plenty of goods and bads about the stuff... i drink it but some days almost feel like i shouldnt... i need some diet help badly...

 

[Fadi]

... i need some diet help badly...

?


Fadi.

 

[Kyle Aaron]

Eat a wide variety of food, all stuff you've prepared yourself from basic ingredients.

If that includes milk or meat or fructose or carbs or saturated fats or fish oil or whatever the latest fad it is to love or hate, fine. If it doesn't, that's fine, too. So long as you do get a variety in the end.

Nobody ever got sick or malnutrition or obese or underweight because their diet was too varied.

 

[Fadi]

Eat a wide variety of food, all stuff you've prepared yourself from basic ingredients.

If that includes milk or meat or fructose or carbs or saturated fats or fish oil or whatever the latest fad it is to love or hate, fine. If it doesn't, that's fine, too. So long as you do get a variety in the end.

Nobody ever got sick or malnutrition or obese or underweight because their diet was too varied.

x2.


Fadi.

 

[Goosey]

very true and I'd like to add that after a ridiculous amount of reading, research, discussion etc. regarding diet my thoughts boil down to not much. Wouldn't you say your diet is successful if it allows you to maintain a good body weight and good energy levels and good health, without driving you nuts?

The not-driving-you nuts part is important for people like me for whom it is not a far drive.

if you can achieve the above on less calories rather than more, that is probably better, there is research to support that idea and it makes sense, it is like setting the idle of a car lower.

One thing to worry about if you're getting by on low calories is, are you getting all your essential nutrients etc.? It would seem especially important to make sure your food is high quality, healthy, and varied, and prepared in a way that preserves the nutritional value.

Even the supplement-skeptical AMA now recommends a multivitamin, vitamin D, calcium, and fish oil - these are probably a good idea for just about everyone, but especially if you slide by on little food.

 

[Fadi]

very true and I'd like to add that after a ridiculous amount of reading, research, discussion etc. regarding diet my thoughts boil down to not much. Wouldn't you say your diet is successful if it allows you to maintain a good body weight and good energy levels and good health, without driving you nuts?

The not-driving-you nuts part is important for people like me for whom it is not a far drive.

if you can achieve the above on less calories rather than more, that is probably better, there is research to support that idea and it makes sense, it is like setting the idle of a car lower.

One thing to worry about if you're getting by on low calories is, are you getting all your essential nutrients etc.? It would seem especially important to make sure your food is high quality, healthy, and varied, and prepared in a way that preserves the nutritional value.

Even the supplement-skeptical AMA now recommends a multivitamin, vitamin D, calcium, and fish oil - these are probably a good idea for just about everyone, but especially if you slide by on little food.

Well said. Now did you say nuts? What kind of nuts are you...just kidding just kidding promise !!


Fadi.

 

[Goosey]

Well said. Now did you say nuts? What kind of nuts are you...just kidding just kidding promise !!


Fadi.

That depends whom you ask Fadi

 

[Fadi]

That depends whom you ask Fadi

I actually liked your post very much but now I'm wondering about the last few words in the following sentence which you wrote:

The not-driving-you nuts part is important for people like me for whom it is not a far drive.

"Not a far drive". What do you mean Silverback?


Fadi.

 

[Goosey]

It's just an analogy fadi- meaning I'm not that far from being driven mad by the things I read is all.