Prostate Care/ Foods and Drugs

[vader-nator]

Originally Posted by Fadi
In my family, no one has had a record of prostate problems. However that didn't stop me from taking preventative measures years ago through supplementation and stopping milk consumption and products made from it. It's a deep subject that would require a separate article by itself and would mean hijacking your thread. Don't wish to do either at the moment Rob.


Fadi.


Hi Fadi,

I am always interested in your detailed ideas.

Please elaborate for us what you were thinking of..... even a brief thought?

Rob

 

[Zarkov]

I would also like to hear Fadi`s thoughts and opinions on this.I was under the impression that Fadi was a milk guzzler.

A google brings up,

The Cancer Project / Milk Consumption and Prostate Cancer

A little scary but this one puts me at ease a little,

Nonfat milk linked to prostate cancer | Health | Reuters

The first one doesn`t make a mention of non fat vs full cream milk so which to believe?
Plenty of other articles on offer.

http://www.google.com/searchclient=safari&rls=en&q=prostate+cancer+milk&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Selenium has been shown to lower the risk so pop a few brazil nuts a day and get some vitamin E into you.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5288973

 

[Fadi]

Originally Posted by Fadi
In my family, no one has had a record of prostate problems. However that didn't stop me from taking preventative measures years ago through supplementation and stopping milk consumption and products made from it. It's a deep subject that would require a separate article by itself and would mean hijacking your thread. Don't wish to do either at the moment Rob.


Fadi.


Hi Fadi,

I am always interested in your detailed ideas.

Please elaborate for us what you were thinking of..... even a brief thought?

Rob

Rob, I've always been (since the age of 15), and still am now at 44 a fan of preventative medicine. I must've been a weird kid to my parents; not drinking tea, coffee, or soft drink. I'm back to drinking tea now, but only because it's white and not black. That's another article...

To the prostate issue now:

The main culprit here is the female hormone estrogen. It has always been thought, and wrongly so, that the male hormone testosterone and its partner dihydrotestosterone (DHT) were the two evil doers when it came to prostate problems. It doesn't take an Einstein to realise that the male hormone testosterone and its metabolite is at a much higher levels when a male is younger rather than older.

So if testosterone declines by the passing of the years, why are some fingers still pointing to it as the cause for prostate problems? Have a look below...

Testosterone, stimulates the prostate to grow, but a recent article in the medical journal, Prostate, suggests that it does this only after the prostate has been sensitised by the female hormone, estrogen. (1) Men with the highest blood levels of estrogen are the ones most likely to get prostate cancer (2). Blood levels of the male hormones, testosterone and dihydrotestosterone, produced by a man's body are not associated with susceptibility to suffer prostate cancer (2).

(1)WE Farnsworth. Roles of estrogen and SHBG in prostate physiology. Prostate 28: 1 (JAN 1996):17-23.
(2)Scandinavian Journal of Urology and Nephrology. 1995(March); 29(1):65-68.

I’m a big fan of an open minded doctor who has seen it fit to look at the same portrait from a slightly different angle. It’s an angle that I admire and like very much. That doctor’s name is Dr. Eugene Shippen. This giant is a specialist in the area of hormone replacement therapy.

http://www.power-surge.com/transcripts/shippen.htm

I bought his book from the US titled:
The Testosterone Syndrome: The Critical Factor for Energy, Health, & Sexuality--Reversing the Male Menopause. Well Rob, you’d be pleased to know that I have not had access to that book since November of 2008, when my own open minded doctor decided to borrow it off me and then lend it to all his “buddies”. I’ll be seeing him this Saturday and I’ll be looking forward to getting my book back!

http://www.zimbio.com/Prostate+Cancer/articles/O5ad4G_tITx/Testosterone+Cause+Prostate+Cancer+Dr+Jeffrey

I promised myself that I will be very brief with this complex subject. Briefly as to why no milk? Estrogen, that's why. Do your research on estrogen in milk and see what you'd find. The majority of estrogen that is ingested by us comes from milk; up to 80% with some people. Sure, one of the liver's jobs is to metabolise/process estrogen and render it safe, but that does not mean we can overwhelm it with excessive amounts. Also, as we age, our hormone balance begins to shift in favour of estrogen whilst our liver becomes weaker than and not as strong as it once was.

Estrogen Dominance
Estrogen dominance as the term suggests is when there is too much estrogen in your system either from the way that your body metabolises your own hormones or from environmental sources. It can affect men as well as women. Although men and women have the same hormones, estrogen, testosterone and progesterone, they have them in a very different ratio and they must be in correct balance for good health.

Good Estrogen and Bad Estrogen
Estrogen, actually a general term for three different forms of estrogen that are produced in your body, must eventually be broken down by the liver and excreted. They can go through one of two pathways.

The substance (metabolite) that is produced by one pathway is often called “bad” estrogen as it stimulates estrogen sensitive tissue and is linked with increased risk of cancer, lupus and symptoms of estrogen dominance. The second pathway produces a much weaker metabolite known as “good” estrogen. Too much of this however is linked to an increased risk of developing conditions associated with estrogen deficiency, such as heart disease, depression, and osteoporosis.

A proper balance of the two is the key to optimum health. It’s known that the metabolism of estrogen depends on lifestyle, diet, your environment and genetic make up.

In men estrogen dominance can contribute to prostate cancer and breast cancer. Yes, men suffer with breast cancer too! In women it can contribute to endometriosis, fibroids, polycystic ovaries, breast and cancer of the womb (endometrial cancer). So you can see how important it is to detox environmental estrogen.

Take Milk Thistle
The herb Milk Thistle (Silymarin) enhances the detox of toxic estrogens from the liver. Russian weightlifters were taking this herb back in the 70s to help their livers with the detoxification process of some oral AAS.

Increase cruciferous vegetables
Eat more cabbage, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cauliflower, kale, mustard, turnip, bok choy, kohlrabi and rutabaga (swede). They contain the phytochemical indole-3-carbinol, that improves detox of environmental estrogen and improves the balance of all hormones.

Consider a supplement of DIM
Scientific research shows DIM (diindolylmethane), a phytonutrient found in cruciferous vegetables, increases the level of “good” estrogens while reducing the level of “bad” estrogens.

indole-3-carbinol is the reason I take DIM.

http://www.tbkfitness.com/milk.html

Here're two supplements I take for prostate health. I also like my pumpkin seeds and make sure I'm getting enough zinc. I'll start a thread soon on all the supplements I take and why. Right now I'm gathering all the information I can find on how our joints get inflamed and what natural ingredients stops the pathway to such a painful outcome. That's the only way I can make a very informed/educated decision on what supplements to take and what is just hype and a waste of money, effort, and time.

DIM is also good for preventing belly fat due to estrogen.

When I was at the AIS, you know through my 13500+ calorie diet that I was having 4kg of dairy products, made up of half milk and the other half yogurt. My liver was in top shape and I didn't gain any fat or any weight for that matter due to a super fast metabolism. However after I left the AIS at the age of 18 1/2 and returned home to Sydney; I became lactose intolerant. That was the body sending me an internal message. I could have out smarted it and supplied it with the enzyme lactase; but I knew there's no outsmarting your body without paying a heavy price at the end of it. Listen to your body's feedback. If you are a heavy milk drinker and you're gaining lots of fat around your belly area, then that could be one sign that your liver is not coping too well. Either look for an alternative, or assist your liver with milk thistle:

Isosilybin B and isosilybin A inhibit growth, induce G1 arrest and cause apoptosis in human prostate cancer LNCaP and 22Rv1 cells -- Deep et al. 28 (7): 1533 -- Carcinogenesis

The Isosilybin is great as a prostate cancer cell killer. So not only do I have something great for my liver; but the prostate is also taken good care of as icing on the cake with the above product.

I'll stop here otherwise this will continue for...


Fadi.

 

[Zarkov]

So it`s the estrogen and not the calcium?
Is the estrogen there as a result of giving it to the cows?If so
why not drink free range organic milk?
Sorry to bug you Fadi.

Edit;
I may have found the answer.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14729019

Estrogen: one of the risk factors in milk for prostate cancer.
Qin LQ, Wang PY, Kaneko T, Hoshi K, Sato A.

Department of Environmental Health, School of Medicine, University of Yamanashi, Shimokato 1110, Tamaho, Yamanashi 409-3898, Japan. shinr@res.yamanashi-med.ac.jp
Comment in:

Med Hypotheses. 2005;64(2):429-30.
Studies to elucidate the cause of prostate cancer have met with little success to date. Epidemiological studies suggested that milk consumption is probably as one of the risk factors for prostate cancer. The studies thus focused on the fat and calcium in milk, but reached no definitive conclusion. According to the measurements of estrogen levels in milk by different studies, it was suggested that estrogen in milk was a possible risk to cause prostate cancer. One reason supporting this hypothesis is that Western diet (characterized by milk/dairy products and meat) causes a trend of increasing levels of estrogens, and Western males show a higher incidence rate of prostate cancer than Asia males. Estrogen levels in prostate fluid are also correlated very well with the prostate cancer. During several decades, estrogens, together with testosterone, was commonly used to induce the rodent model of prostate cancer. Our hypothesis also was supported by the presence of estrogen receptors in the prostate gland and the genotoxic role of estrogens on the prostate gland, as possible mechanisms. Therefore, if modern milk consumption does expose consumers to high levels of estrogen and plays an adverse role in prostate cancer, action should be taken to produce the noncontaminant milk.

 

[brendon]

where can you get DIM from. i went looking the other day and found none. went to supplement stores and they said they couldnt get it in pure form anymore.

 

[Fadi]

where can you get DIM from. i went looking the other day and found none. went to supplement stores and they said they couldnt get it in pure form anymore.

http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Way-DIM-Plus-Estrogen-Metabolism-Formula-120-Capsules/4117?at=0

Choose UPS and not DHL for shipping. I got charged twice by the Australian customs when I had chosen DHL, but never when UPS!


Fadi.

 

[samson-axehammer]

a product out there that is potent is Prostate eze-max,which is for medically diagnosed benign prostate hypertrophy.contains pygeum,saw palmetto,willow herb,pumpkin seed oil.