All i was saying is that, guys trying to get big tris waste time on pushdowns, guys trying to get a big back fuck around on lat pulls, guys wanting big delts dont press overhead heavy, guys wanting a big chest fuck around on crossovers, etc etc. want big tris? dips and close grip benches, want a big back? weighted chins and heavy tbars and or bb rows, want big shoulders? behind the neck presess, yes behind the neck! oooooohh, legs, sqauts, hams? stiff legs, calves? well who the fuck would train calves unless they wanted to be a competitive bodybuilder