Heres a little tidbit of info for you guys. I started using gear in 1998 and got on stage 7 times in 7 years. This was after 6 years of mass building naturally. I came off the gear when I decided to take a break from stage. That was 3 years ago and Ive been back again, naturally. It sucks. Theres no way around it. I Would NEVER do this naturally if I didnt have to (American in Aus and I dont have a doctor here who will script). It may take time off of your life but the increase of quality is undeniable. Im 40 by the way and Im not talking about running 2 grams a week. Im talking a longevity dose, like for ED or andropause (200-250mgs a week or so). Having used gear and a ton of GH over the years I have more respect for the natural guys than I ever had. Im still not going to play the natural game. Its no fun to me. I like training with the natural guys. They are dedicated, they have to be.