Yes.Lyle is a nutritionist. Lyle is a nutritionist. Lyle is a nutritionist.
Yes.
But he claims to have trained people in the past and still offers opinions on training, and on realistic results to be expected from training. These opinions have been demonstrated to be wrong, wrong, wrong. To which he responds by going "la la la I can't hear you! Fuck you, Mark!"
Look Lyle made a boo boo. Fair enough, he was a fairly shit powerlifter and was out of his league.
Lyle's books however are well researched and suggest some very practical approaches to diet, far from the 'no carbs at night to stop the carb fairies' bs the John Pain guy puts out.
On lifting I go to:
Training = Rippetoe, Wendler
Nutrition = Aragon, and to a lesser extent McDonald.
Ok- I'm an ignorant asshole- but just wondering- as far as powerlifting goes- what elite lifters have trained under Rippetoe or Wendler? Honest question- I ask because I have heard some elite lifters say they are full of shit.
Ok- I'm an ignorant asshole- but just wondering- as far as powerlifting goes- what elite lifters have trained under Rippetoe or Wendler? Honest question- I ask because I have heard some elite lifters say they are full of shit.
Wow, I have a long way to go just to be average.
Wendlers best = 1000lbs squat, 675lb bench, 700lb deadlift.
multiply on the gas- its ok- but not amazing. Recently he squatted in just wraps- I believe his best was less than 700lbs. No bad, but not amazing at all. I know that compared with the average gym goer those numbers are awesome- but in the world of powerlifting competition it doesn't really entitle one to fame.
Asking if they've trained elite lifters is like asking if your local primary school teacher has taught any PhDs.
That's not their job, they're there to get people started. Except in this analogy, strength training and primary school, it's like it's the 19th century when most people didn't finish grade 6. In a world of illiterates, successfully teaching basic literacy is pretty remarkable.
"What?! Rip never coached any elite lifters? Well obviously he is a crap coach, then!"
"What?! Mrs Jones never taught any PhDs? Well obviously she is a crap teacher, then!"
Spritcha, I think you are falling into that trap I mentioned, being so advanced that you forget just what is needed for beginners, and how important it is to have a good coach when you start. This is a world where if a 59kg guy gets to 65kg and squatting 75kg and deadlifting 110kg in 10 weeks, then qualified trainers will seriously suggest he must be on steroids.
When it comes to coaching, Rip doesn't present himself as anything more than he is. He has a lot of stupid ideas (eg he doesn't believe in global warming), but his ideas about training beginners are not among them. His advice is, for beginners, solid - and works.
I don't think Wendler has coached any elite lifters. He spent a fair amount of time under Louie @ Westside and then under Tate & Co @ EFS. 5/3/1 was never designed as a powerlifting program. It came about because Wendler had reached his powerlifting goals and was sick of being fat and strong so he created a simple program that involved benching, pulling, squatting and pressing.
I think it has gotten such a cult following due to it's simplicity, the consistent results it produces (strength increases) and the publicity it gets on EFS. It will be interesting to see what changes when he brings out 5/3/1 for Powerlifting (not sure when it will be but it's been in the works for a while).
Just wanted to pose a honest question- because I was not sure and I have heard others say that their systems are ok with hobbyists and beginners- but if you want optimal strength development there are better ways.
Curious what would you suggest?
there is a debate there, thats for sure.
It depends on the level of experience and ability of the lifter- as well as time constraints etc.
But- that conversation is probably best had in another thread.
Seems fair to me.I disagree. What I am saying is that if you want to get beyond primary school don't stick with primary school teacher.
Yes. But only when you've finished primary school first. Most don't.Primary school teachers can be great at teaching primary school kids. But if you want a PhD or high school diploma go elsewhere.
I would be interested to hear of these other ways, provided they have actually produced results for a significant number of people from beginners onwards. I'm not really interested in how advanced people become elite, it's just not part of my day-to-day work.I have heard others say that their systems are ok with hobbyists and beginners- but if you want optimal strength development there are better ways.
I would be interested to hear of these other ways, provided they have actually produced results for a significant number of people from beginners onwards. I'm not really interested in how advanced people become elite, it's just not part of my day-to-day work.
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