i think this is a new school of thought (oni) v the traditional school of thought (fadi) have a read of robert roman 'training of a weightlifter'.
"There is no correlation between the ability to display great strength and the ability to display it quickly".
"One can possess great strength but at the same time, not have the skill to realize it quickly"
"The single maximum tension method develops the ability to concentrate neuromuscular effort and produces a larger effect in the development of absolute strength than the other methods".
"The volume of squats front and back in both competatory and preparatory periods is on average 27% for low class athletes and 20% of the general volume of ms."
He goes on to say. pressing exercises like bench and push press are done to increase jerk/press ability
Clean pulls/other pulling exercises are done to increase the speed of the floor, NOT deadlifts.
Unfortunately it makes no sense at all to display max effort in deadlifts and what not when your trying to acheive a higher clean and jerk. the reason for this is your time is better spent in doing clean pulls and hang pulls.
the point regarding max tension/max effort above is in the context that weightlifter should use higher loads and a 1rm in the snatch instead of doing 90% for multiple reps... as a 120kg snatch x 3 does not equate to 122.5kg x 1... due to the fact that muscular endurance is created.
then this:
Starting Strength: Article
clearly, a max effort deadlift should only be done sparingly given the potential risk of injury. however, i believe it is up to the individual and when it comes down to it, the majority of people will benefit more from doing weightlifting specific excercises like clean pulls than deadlifts.
however, when athletes are less developed, overall strength training for the deadlift, squat and bench will definitely help (the clean more than the snatch).
there will be transfer, but when the trainee becomes more advanced, i believe the program should be shifted to a more weightlifting orientated structure given their goal is to weightlift and increase their clean and jerk/snatch. this is not to say they wont deadlift, but when they will do it less often with more weight compared to weightlifting.
essentially, it comes down to the individual. the snatch and the clean and jerk are the highest bang for your buck exercises you can do in the gym regarding watts and energy if i remember correctly.
hence, there should be a balance of all 5 (cj/snatch,b,s,d) or more towards weightlifting, given it is bio-mechanical and requires a lot more expenditure.
if you are using it as general fitness, healthy and what not, an even balance across everything will ensure you get maximum benefits possible.
so weightlift, powerlift and do cardio so your body is in balance and will not break down.
if you gear towards powerlifting, your body will be more prone to injuries like lower back issues, pec tears etc. your muscles will be stiffer and you will be more prone to postural deficiencies if you want to call it that
solely weightlifting is more about the joints than anything.
cardio means you get no strength and muscular development but possess a high ability to move quickly for short and long periods depending on your anaerobic and aerobic systems. chucking this into a weightlifting/powerlifting program is essential to maintain overall health in day to day activities like your posture and recovery etc i believe
combine all 3
in summary, weightlifting does build strength. there is nothing more stronger than cleaning a weight and lifting it above your head.
deadlifts aid the clean but should not comprise of a high % of your program given the risk to injury and the fact there is not complete transfer along with the fact you can go as slow as you want off the floor, but only need speed when it comes to the triple ext.
a good solid squat will give your body the ability to handle heavy weights off the floor, you do not need to deadlift to realise this.
more specific weightlifting technqiues like clean pulls and hang pulls and varying the loads is more beneficial to a higher clean and jerk which will make someone stronger.
doing a balance of weightlifting and powerlifting, will ensure that you receive benefits in both fields.. the split is up to the individual, but it is important to note, a squat (aids the catch) and bench (aids the jerk) will aid the weightlifting more than the deadlift, so your program should reflect this.
my 2c.
and for sticky and oni, you only explode in speed in the olympic lift of the clean when you reach mid thigh approx commonly known as the triple extenison.. coming off the floor is very slow.. if you look at rippetoes explanation of a string and a weight plate..
as for powerlifting, you do not start off the floor slow, you aim for a constant speed which is as high as you can achieve throughout the movement..
if anything, the reduction in the deadlif total to the clean total illustrates how demanding th weightlifting movements are.
