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Kristos broke the all time squat and deadlift record at 67.5kg
D1cko
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Yeah 280kg third at the recent novice comp...deadlifts I might have some natural ability, squats and bench a bit retarded, but working on it
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Stiffy
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strong enough?
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This is not a dig at anyone, or especially to diminish Kristos's achievement or anyone else's for that matter, but the fundamental issue with the concept of an "all time" raw and raw+wraps squat and raw bench records isn't about rule or equipment differences between federations or even drugs. It's that it isn't really "all-time".
There is a considerable period of time in the 80s and 90s were most of the top lifters were in the IPF and whose lifts would not qualify as raw or raw+wraps because they happened after suits and bench shirts were allowed (even though the early single-ply suits probably didn't offer that much compared to the wraps and bench shirts might have added only 10kg). So what is "all-time" is in fact missing a 30 year period between 1980-2010 (or around 1985-2010 for bench press if you go by PW's criteria), in what was really the golden age of powerlifting. What could have Ed Coan, Mike Bridges, Fred Hatfield, Kirk Karworski, Bill Kazmaier, Magnus Carlsson, Jaroslaw Olech etc done at their peak if there was a raw or raw+wraps division? We can't know.
While a lot of elite lifters in the US and Australia are motivated by all time records and good on them, I wouldn't say the top lifters in the IPF, who are mostly outside of the US, give a toss and probably are not even be aware of Powerlifting Watch's list. The pinnacle for them would be IPF world champion and open IPF world records. This is why some of the best IPF lifters still only lift equipped. Olech has lifted 342.5kg at 67.2kg and 367.5kg at 73kg bodyweight. What would he lift raw+wraps? easily over 300. Current WR holders, CYC, Barkhatov and Testsov don't either.
My 2c.
Anyway, Kristos is a gun and is only 19 so his numbers are only going to go up. Frightening.
There is a considerable period of time in the 80s and 90s were most of the top lifters were in the IPF and whose lifts would not qualify as raw or raw+wraps because they happened after suits and bench shirts were allowed (even though the early single-ply suits probably didn't offer that much compared to the wraps and bench shirts might have added only 10kg). So what is "all-time" is in fact missing a 30 year period between 1980-2010 (or around 1985-2010 for bench press if you go by PW's criteria), in what was really the golden age of powerlifting. What could have Ed Coan, Mike Bridges, Fred Hatfield, Kirk Karworski, Bill Kazmaier, Magnus Carlsson, Jaroslaw Olech etc done at their peak if there was a raw or raw+wraps division? We can't know.
While a lot of elite lifters in the US and Australia are motivated by all time records and good on them, I wouldn't say the top lifters in the IPF, who are mostly outside of the US, give a toss and probably are not even be aware of Powerlifting Watch's list. The pinnacle for them would be IPF world champion and open IPF world records. This is why some of the best IPF lifters still only lift equipped. Olech has lifted 342.5kg at 67.2kg and 367.5kg at 73kg bodyweight. What would he lift raw+wraps? easily over 300. Current WR holders, CYC, Barkhatov and Testsov don't either.
My 2c.
Anyway, Kristos is a gun and is only 19 so his numbers are only going to go up. Frightening.
Sticky
Active member
Agreed, but you can only record what is recordable.
There is no point in not having them just because some of the greats aren't on there......
Ed stated with me for 2 weeks last month, he is still strong as shit.
Worked up to some very, ver easy 260kg squats.... No belt or wraps just to "loosen up" before one of my workshops.
There is no point in not having them just because some of the greats aren't on there......
Ed stated with me for 2 weeks last month, he is still strong as shit.
Worked up to some very, ver easy 260kg squats.... No belt or wraps just to "loosen up" before one of my workshops.
vonfram88
Active member
In my opinion and based on the few meets that ive attended,you are made to squat a bit deeper than the rulebook says.However to me thats not a problem as long as its consistently judged.Its usually is.No complaints here.
Quite clearly at the top level,from what i saw at the recent IPF classics,they all squatted beyond a reasonable doubt.Anything that was doubtful was redlights.
Quite clearly at the top level,from what i saw at the recent IPF classics,they all squatted beyond a reasonable doubt.Anything that was doubtful was redlights.
strong enough?
Member
The difference isn't in the rule book, it's in where the benefit of the doubt lies. Outside the IPF, benefit of the doubt is generally given to the lifter. Sometimes a lot of benefit Within the IPF, not so much, even more so at international level.
Within the IPF, not so much, even more so at international level.
Goosey
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That looked great.
Kyle Aaron
Active member
That's the great thing about the deadlift, wraps don't help, even multiply suits have minimal help, not really much to argue about, you either picked the fucking thing up or you didn't.
300kg.
300kg.
Sticky
Active member
That's exactly my point.
They rip their lifters off, I've seen it at many local comps here in Brisbane.
Judges not judging to the rule book.
It's as bad as passing high squats.
Show me in the IPF rule book where it sates you must squat 4" below parallel.