workout belts

[PTC]

Haz, first squat and deadlift as much as the guys lift WITHOUT belts, then chase the ones with belts.

Using your example a novice who pulls 40kg should wear a belt because he saw someone pull 140kg with one.

 

[Oli]

PTC, what is your top squat?

By the end of January I plan to have a 180kg squat for 5 reps. By that time next year I'll have another 50kg~ on that lift. I'll give your top squatter a run for his money and show you all the awesomeness of a low bar and belt

 

[PTC]

My top squat is 205kg @ 90kg.
180kg box squat to a 29cm box

As far as lifters at PTC

Spiros 215kg @ 120kg
Nick 210kg @ 108kg
Chris 200kg @ 92kg

As far as bodyweight

Max 170kg @ 70kg = 2.4 x bw
Shorty 170kg @ 70kg = 2.4 x bodyweight

Max double bodyweight x 10

Nick 155kg x 20

All raw, all rock bottom, not shitty parallel squats



Please come and display your awesomeness on Australia Day Oli.

 

[PTC]

Got depth?

Shorty squatting 2.4 x bodyweight

 

[Josh_GTiR]

As long as you squat WITHOUT a belt and go ATG you are on the right track.

I have always been a firm believer that belts are for PUSSIES.

 

[Kyle Aaron]

Please dont make me pull out belt less squat numbers David lol

Yeah I wanted to quote those, but all I could find on a quick look through the ptc was the deadlifts, it's only a comment on a forum to a guy who prefers to talk about his penis, I wasn't going to spend hours on it.

You'll be glad to know the teacher at RMIT was dissing belts today. "Why would you do an exercise and not have it work all the muscles it could?" He made an exception for people doing max lifts at national level, though noted that plenty did without even then.

"When you're lifting at the extremes of what's humanly possible, maybe you need some extra support. Are your clients going to be national-level powerlifters? Are you one?"

makes no sense. there would be thousands of people who wear a belt and deadlift over 200kg.

Where is this mythical place with "thousands of people" who deadlift over 200kg? Can you point a few of them out?

Because the place I know with the strongest drugfree lifters overall - in Melbourne, excluding perhaps the Oly lifting clubs - is PTC, and they don't belt up.

I mean, I see blokes with belts on in my local gym and my school gyms. And they're squatting and deadlifting less than me - less than a guy with scoliosis, which if you look it up and use your imagination will see does not help in lifts using the lower back, since only half your lower back gets used.

So I think these sorts of lifts are not that common. But hey, if they are, let me know, the more heavy lifting gyms out there I can visit or lift at or recommend to others, the happier I am.

Unless you're just making it up?

im sure you'd find that alot of the people that deadlift over 300 wear belts. ill judge by those results that we all MUST wear BELTS.

Did they wear belts training all the way from the 20kg bar to the 300kg lift?

Sure, you're doing a competition lift, lifting the heaviest weight in one go you'll lift in months or even that year, I can see that you'd want extra support - but hey, heaps of people don't use it even then. But say your comp lift is 300kg, you need the belt for the 100kg warmup?

Do you lift 300kg? How did you get there? Or if you don't, how did those people get there? Belts all the way? If there are "thousands of people" who do it, should be easy to tell us about some of them, yeah?

 

[PTC]

I forgot to add Oli, your lifts are VERY impressive, I consider you one of the strongest guys on here, I thought I should let you know in case you thought I didnt acknowledge your lifts because they were done elsewhere.

Strong is strong.

 

[haz]

Where is this mythical place with "thousands of people" who deadlift over 200kg? Can you point a few of them out?

Because the place I know with the strongest drugfree lifters overall - in Melbourne, excluding perhaps the Oly lifting clubs - is PTC, and they don't belt up.

I mean, I see blokes with belts on in my local gym and my school gyms. And they're squatting and deadlifting less than me - less than a guy with scoliosis, which if you look it up and use your imagination will see does not help in lifts using the lower back, since only half your lower back gets used.

So I think these sorts of lifts are not that common. But hey, if they are, let me know, the more heavy lifting gyms out there I can visit or lift at or recommend to others, the happier I am.

how about all the powerlifters and Olympic weightlifters that use belts.
i have no problem with belts, they aid the core and create more pressure in the abdommen region which lessens spinal load. i agree that people whose deadlift/squat are low shouldn't wear them, but i see no harm.

Did they wear belts training all the way from the 20kg bar to the 300kg lift?

Sure, you're doing a competition lift, lifting the heaviest weight in one go you'll lift in months or even that year, I can see that you'd want extra support - but hey, heaps of people don't use it even then. But say your comp lift is 300kg, you need the belt for the 100kg warmup?

Do you lift 300kg? How did you get there? Or if you don't, how did those people get there? Belts all the way? If there are "thousands of people" who do it, should be easy to tell us about some of them, yeah?

probably not from 20kg to 300kg, but your argument was that becuase someone lifted 200 raw that everyone should go raw, so if some1 did better with a belt then everyone should use a belt. i dont agree but that was your logic.

i still don't know why you all have so much belt hate.

also if your soooo in love with ptc why dont you train there?

 

[haz]

Haz, first squat and deadlift as much as the guys lift WITHOUT belts, then chase the ones with belts.

Using your example a novice who pulls 40kg should wear a belt because he saw someone pull 140kg with one.

that wasn't my example, i don't agree.

sarcasm is hard to portray, i put it in italics.

 

[CaT_SPeW]

Got depth?

Shorty squatting 2.4 x bodyweight

so Shorty squats high bar, ATG at PTC comps, does he do the same at powerlifting comps? Just wondering if he switches styles to suit the type of comp and the fact he cant wear a belt at PTC but can at a powerlifting comp.

 

[PTC]

All the vids I've seen of Shorty show him squatting same style with wraps, belt, suit.

They just give him 40kg or so.

Kyle lives a 2 hour + bike ride from PTC, and he still managed it once, he hasnt got a car, fair commitment I'd say, I know I wouldnt do that, knowing what was waiting.

Why would anyone bash Kyle over this argument. He presents facts, not theories.

He has seen something, not read it. Passed on what he SAW, not heard, read or theorised.

I'd like to know when and why you guys started using belts, something you read or some guy in a spa using it for curls.

At what weight did you buckle up for squats or deads.

 

[CaT_SPeW]

All the vids I've seen of Shorty show him squatting same style with wraps, belt, suit.

They just give him 40kg or so.

just watched him on youtube squat 200kg with the same style just to powerlifting standards. one thing i notice with him is his knees do not move in or out as he rises no matter the weight or depth of the squat, very impressive.

 

[Josh_GTiR]

Yeah man, Shorty has an awesome Squat!

I have never used belts. One of the main reasons was because of some of the dickheads at gyms wearing them on almost all of the stuff they do.

Each to their own with belts. I just don't think a belted lift can be compared to a RAW lift.

 

[haz]

All the vids I've seen of Shorty show him squatting same style with wraps, belt, suit.

They just give him 40kg or so.

Kyle lives a 2 hour + bike ride from PTC, and he still managed it once, he hasnt got a car, fair commitment I'd say, I know I wouldnt do that, knowing what was waiting.

Why would anyone bash Kyle over this argument. He presents facts, not theories.

He has seen something, not read it. Passed on what he SAW, not heard, read or theorised.

I'd like to know when and why you guys started using belts, something you read or some guy in a spa using it for curls.

At what weight did you buckle up for squats or deads.

i was just rocking the boat.

if we only believed what we SAW we would all be very dumb. if i didn't read, listen or theorise i would still be doing 3 variations of curls and partially squatting when the leg extension machine was busy.
i take everything i read with a grain of salt.

i dont use a belt, thought about with when i first started to front squat and struggled to support 40kg on my shoulders without falling over, but i improved. i probably wont get one.
i'm just against the belt hate, they are a tool and anyone who wears one shouldn't feel like their less of a lifter because their not 100% raw.

 

[jeff]

i agree with haz. The idea of a belt seemed appealing at first with an effort to maintain some balance when starting to squat for the first time but you do adjust. using a belt is a personal choice and an ergogenic aid that can benefit a lifter. not only this i would assume it boosts confidence. why do people have to be 100% raw?

 

[Bluey]

I watch people do 120kg deadlifts at my gym with a belt and wraps and laugh. I want to ask them why they do that but it wouldnt go down well I think.

 

[PTC]

When I first started PTC I was ridiculed far and wide about my insistance on no belts, claims that lifters would get injured or they would never move big weights. I even had clients questioning me.

Since my website has been up and running, with videos and pics of the lifts, most of the weak belt wearing regular gym goers have STFU.

Competetive powerlifters can wear whatever there federation allows, I dont care.

Dont see too many powerlifters who have competed on here. Most are living in Denialville lol

 

[PowerBuilder]

in todays training session for a second i started to consider using a belt. The thought then occured to me, that ive seen a ton of lifters move more weight than i was moving beltless...when their the same size as me

i trained beltless

 

[PTC]

Thats exactly my point PB, as long as you know that someone your size can do it, so can you.

When your finally moving weights that nobody without a belt can move, don the belt, cause most dont want to be pioneers, they prefer to be sheep.

 

[PowerBuilder]

it'll be a while then till i've earned the right to belt up!!