Has anyone lost a large amount of weight?

[Sticky]

I got fat because i ate crap and i was lazy. Then when i realised i was chubby it made me upset. Depressed because you are fat > fat because you are depressed. It's a cycle. I have tried anti-depressants and they didn't work for me. I've tried fat pills, shakes, calorie counting, fasting, soup diets, juice diets, detox diets.

The only thing i haven't tried is focusing on the exercise instead of the food. The last diet i did was a shake diet where exercise isn't necessary. It worked the best out of anything i have done, but i couldn't maintain that lifestyle of eating food i hate.

The times i have exercised i hated it so much but felt pleased with myself afterwards. I think it could lift my mood if i committed to it.

I am absolutely defeated and if i don't make it work this time, i'll be cashing out my superannuation and getting a lapband. (It's impossible to get your super money out - but there is a clause about being able to get it out for lapband surgery - you can even get out your husbands super for the surgery).

I figure i have nothing to lose and everything to gain if i can try one last time, with all things included equally, exercise and diet. Sorry if i sound like an idiot, i know it's all my fault i'm so fat.

Thanks for all the replies and advice.

I won't go to a gym or personal trainer because i'm too shy and embarrassed. I've got to do it at home.

This is a good site i'm going to read the girls section some more.

You need to foucus on the diet first not the excercise. Several people have already said this.
Look at the last few pages of the members pics thread, BigJims transformation is almost unbelievable. 33odd KG's in under 6 months is an awesome loss, and like he said, all he did was change his diet and lift weights.
In your next reply, type in EVERYTHING you ate and drank today.
You say your nutritionist wrote you a 7 day meal plan, what is it? how long did you follow it for?
Getting your super (or your partners) out for lap band surgury is ludicrus, sorry but it is. In MOST cases, losing (or gaining) weight is a matter of controlling what goes into that mouth.

 

[Gauche]

Keep in mind to not everyone can smash out 30kg in 6 months. Its a longer road for some so don't get discouraged if your not seeing the same results. I read Jims training journal and he really is putting in the hard yards. Loved his HIIT weighted sled sprints... Wish I had though of that when I was overweight.

I noticed you also said you don't want to take years to loose the weight...? Im affraid to loose your weight in a healthy kind of way it takes patience. There is no quick cure unless you can go on a 5 month holiday to the biggest loser and do it the unhealthy way. Change the way you eat forever...

 

[Dancelot]

75kg isn't that overwhelming, do the maths.

If you're going for 1-2kg a week weight loss (achievable initially, most weight loss will be water), that's between 52kg and 104kg a year. You can only maintain that rate of weight loss in the first 6 months though, because it's easier to lose water weight than fat. Still, that's between 26kg and 52kg of weight loss. After that, you can aim for 500g to 1kg a week, which is between 13kg and 26kg for 6 months. In the first year alone, you can lose between 39kg and 78kg.

So you'll get rid of 75kg in between 1-2 years. Even if we're conservative and add another year to the process, it's still a fantastic and achievable rate. I'm sure you didn't gain all that weight in 2-3 years.

If you have a good diet & exercise plan, and have the will to stick to them with no excuse, you'll nail that goal.

 

[dave]

Forget the trainer, forget the gym but forget the lap-band surgery, its a bad idea. Start eating healthier and start doing some exercise. Find some support, talk to someone who can help you. We can give you a bit of motivation and support on here but its not like having someone there for you. You need someone who is there for you, its makes a whole lot of difference when you feel like quitting or things get tough and you would like a helping hand.

Write down some goals, large ones and then the small ones to get there. You are 125 you want to be about 50 and a healthy good body composition. So your goal is 80 by the end of the year, thats 45kg, thats just under half of what I weigh and I am 6'3, thats a lot of weight to have lost, you will look good, feel better and be better. But then you set monthly goals, you just under 8 months, thats close to 5.5kgs per month. You can do that, at the start you will probably lose more thats normal, but you want to steady it out so you do not lose too much muscle, you want muscle it burns calories, increases insulin sensitivity, makes you look better, makes you stronger, takes some of the load off of your joints. You can set these goals and work for them each month. After each month reassess your goals and plan. If you are losing 15kg a month thats going to negatively affect your muscle mass and future ability to lose weight. You therefore increase what you are eating by 250 to 500 calories and re-evaluate. You do this every fortnight/month depending on how you are going. These numbers are just estimates and you can change them but I would not go over the 45kg in 8 months that should be the maximum limit to conserve muscle mass.

I once weighed 120kg, thats about 20kg more than I should (top end of scale too) now I don't, if I had gone to a psychologist or got some coaching help I might have gotten off my ass sooner due to being able to deal with all my other problems that lead me to 120kg. I didn't it took me longer and due to taking my time dealing with all the other crap in my life I didn't do it as good as I should have, I already had the knowledge just not the willpower. Now I do, now I am back to where I was and have missed out on a lot of time where I could have increased my physical abilities to where I want them.

You talk in negatives (I do the same, yet its something I am working on), you sound and act defeated but if you were defeated you wouldn't be talking to people on here. You need to overcome your shyness, a PT isn't going to laugh at you because you are fat and if they do kick the idiot in the balls and walk out and go find a real trainer. It may cost money but then its your health, would you rather pay 100 a week and live a full and fun life or be dead in 10-15 years, depending on your age that could be a really short and unhappy life.

 

[OutOfControl]

I wanted to focus on the exercise because i've focused on the food sooo much in the past. I'm 26 and i've been trying to lose weight since i was about 12. What started out as me being a little bit chubby has ended in me being morbidly obese.

I'm so desperate! I don't want to get my organs rearranged to lose weight, but that would be better than dying.

I used to want to lose weight to look better, now i'm so big i'm scared that i am going to die. I feel unhealthy... that's a scary feeling. At lower weights i didn't actually feel unhealthy.

I really appreciate you taking the time to listen to me. I hate talking about this stuff with a passion. I'm mostly an easy going "happy" person, who doesn't like to cause trouble or put people out. I feel awkward talking about anything serious.

The Biggest Loser made me depressed about my weight. Seeing how those people could do it in 3 months made me feel like a failure. I try to start a new diet every time the Biggest Loser begins, but i can't keep up with them.

Today i ate 2 eggs, 2 pieces of bread, spag bol, apple juice, i'll probably have some icecream too and a banana, and then go and eat a sandwich late at night.

The diet that i did that worked went like this:
Morning - shake
Mid morning - apple
Lunch - shake + you can have as many veggies as you want from allowed list... no potato or pumpkin though
Afternoon - apple
Dinner - protein serve that was about 90-120grams + veggies

Minimum of 2litres of water a day. No exercise necessary. I lost probably 30 kilos....

I did that for months and months and stuck to it even though i wasn't enjoying the food. I know i've got some discipline with food. I just need a proper plan.

I like to see things writen down so i can read them and follow what i have to do. Otherwise i just mess it all up.

 

[OutOfControl]

I have even had people close to me die of obesity related illness, and that still didn't shock me into action. It's embarrassing. Thanks for the advice Dave... yeah i know i should let people in and talk about it, i just can't at the moment.

Congrats on your progress. I am listening to everything you say and taking it in, even if i don't seem like it. I'm just really upset that i've put myself in this situation.

 

[Dancelot]

Read this: PTC NEWSLETTER, Issue # 37

Best guide I've ever read, simple, straight forward, no bullsh!t.

 

[dave]

Today i ate 2 eggs, 2 pieces of bread, spag bol, apple juice, i'll probably have some icecream too and a banana, and then go and eat a sandwich late at night.

The diet that i did that worked went like this:
Morning - shake
Mid morning - apple
Lunch - shake + you can have as many veggies as you want from allowed list... no potato or pumpkin though
Afternoon - apple
Dinner - protein serve that was about 90-120grams + veggies

Ok both are bad. If you can live on the shake diet for months you have enough discipline to eat properly for life.

Cut the juice and any other calories that come from drinks besides protein shakes and don't drink many if any of those unless you need too. Spag Bol is not a good choice, 2 eggs and 2 slice of bread is better and at least you had some breakfast (well I hope it was), have a real meal a night not ice-cream and banana and then a late night sandwich feeding.

I am not going to give you a meal set just some guidlines and idea for you to work from and make foods that you would like.

• Have a protein source with every meal - about the size of your fist or hand is good.
• Have lots of vegies (limiting potato etc) with each meal.
• Eat fruit, its good for you but stick to apples, oranges, pears not so much the banana.
• Eat after you workout, your body wants it and uses it then. You can have more carbs in your meal at this time, still try to make it healthy.
• Eat nuts they are great lots of protein, vitamins, healthy fats, fibre.
• Eat legumes with your meals, more protein, unprocessed carbs among other good things.
• Lots of salad, leafy greens etc etc etc.
• Make food you like and slowly introduce foods you know are better for you
• Use some cheese with salads, it adds taste and protein, a bit of fat but the idea is to make it a strong cheese like Feta and have about 20g only.
• Use a shake only if you can't get in a real meal. I go to uni at night for 4 hours straight usually. I have a shake and some nuts (500 cal total) during class.
• Eat more meals per day 5-6 and average out your calories over these times. More carbs in the morning and post workout less in the other meals.

It could be a lamb curry with extra brocoli and peas and carrots with some rice (basmati is good). Or a steak with roasted vegies (take it easy on the oil but enough to make it taste good). Or eggs and some fruit for breakfast. You have lots of options.

Work out some meals, cook them in advance and packet and freeze them. I find I eat a lot better when I have meals ready for me, not all but some. 1 night per week cooking for atleast 3 of your meals for the week makes it easier to eat, takes less time out of your day and keeps you on track.

We can go into your calorie needs how much you should have about each meal. This is also a lot easier to do when you make meals in advance. Have a play around and work out meals you will like and eat.

 

[OutOfControl]

Hey alot of that makes sense. I just realised i gave away most of my weights. Damn i didn't think i would ever need them. I'm going to read that again slowly and try and follow it. Thanks!

 

[Gauche]

Instead if the shakes choose reall food. Lean meat no bigger then the palm of your hand. No fruit after 3pm so have a small handfull of nuts instead. No carbs at night other then from veggies. Forget spaghetti bol it's a thing of the past now. Ice cream is a perfect! If you want to stay obese. Read that ptc article as dancelot stated, it truley is a slap in the face but it shows what needs to be done.
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[OutOfControl]

Hey Dave thanks for all that advice. I'm kind of getting excited now!

The PTC article was a bit offensive, because it's brutal truth.

The only thing i don't agree with is 500grams loss a week. I guess he is talking about healthier people though and 1-2kilos would be ok for me.

I don't think i should eat 250-500 grams of protein a day either. He said to have 4grams of protein per 1kg of weight. Or half that if you are lazy lol

I read that you shouldn't eat tuna more than 2 times a fortnight due to the mercury levels, but i see some body builders eat a couple of tins of tuna per day.

What's the right info?

It's all so confusing

 

[Fadi]

What's the right info?

It's all so confusing

Hi OutOfControl (what is your name by the way)?

We have not met; I checked to see you in the introduction section but there was nothing (I may be wrong of course).

I have no idea about you except that you possibly wish to lose some weight (according to your last post).

I'd like to help but first I need your help. Please tell me what you're after and what is it that you're finding confusing?

I'm thinking around the following lines:

Serotonin
Sugar
Endorphins
Opioid receptors
Sluggish thyroid gland
Cortisol and Adrenalin
Insulin
Blood sugar
Attitude on life
Appropriate supplements
Exercise
Food and food timing
Etc

Take care.


Fadi.

 

[Christian]

Hey Dave thanks for all that advice. I'm kind of getting excited now!

The PTC article was a bit offensive, because it's brutal truth.

The only thing i don't agree with is 500grams loss a week. I guess he is talking about healthier people though and 1-2kilos would be ok for me.

I don't think i should eat 250-500 grams of protein a day either. He said to have 4grams of protein per 1kg of weight. Or half that if you are lazy lol

I read that you shouldn't eat tuna more than 2 times a fortnight due to the mercury levels, but i see some body builders eat a couple of tins of tuna per day.

What's the right info?

It's all so confusing

The right info is who you look at...

Being overweight is far more detramental then the mercury in tuna as much as my lecturers would hate me to say that//

Also im going to state something straight out of my anatomy and physiology textbook

"Even slight increase in muscular work can cause remarkable leaps in TMR and heat production. When a well trained athlete exercises vigorously for several minutes, TMR may increase 20 fold, and it remains elevated for several hours after exercise stops. (this made me think about tabata thrusters)

Food ingestion also induces a rapid increase in TMR (total metabolic rate), This effect called food-induced thermogenesis is greatest when proteins are eaten. In contrast, fasting or very low caloric intakes depresses TMR and results in a slower breakdown of body reserves" - human anatomy & physilology 8th edition - Marieb & Hoehn

Starvation and low calorie high cabr diets are not the key and we know this yet this is what we keep preaching to the masses!!

 

[OutOfControl]

Fadi i'm confused about everything lol

I decided i want to set myself the goal to lose 12.5 kilos asap because losing 10% of your body fat can improve your over all health and reduce the risk of heart attack. Ive got some weight loss shakes left over from my last diet so i might start them tomorrow until i work out a new meal plan and some exercises.

N00b that's what i thought about the tuna, but i wondered why fit bodybuilders would risk eating it? How many people actually get mercury poisoning? I was told eggs were bad for you too, and you shouldn't have them too often, but bodybuilders seem to eat way past the limit?

And i always thought fruit was good for you, but then i found out that you have to limit it, and certain types are too high in sugar. Like you are meant to eat a max of 2 bananas a week and they have to be under-ripe.

Then someone told me to drink two litres of water a day, but i went to a website that calculates the water you should drink... when i entered my stats it was saying i should drink like 3.5 litres of water a day. Other people tell me drinking too much water a day is bad for you.

You know when obese people lose weight their skin is all loose? Well that's part of why i want to do weights... if i just go and lose 75 kilos through shakes... i'm going to have saggy skin everywhere. Walking and riding an exercise bike isn't going to tone anything up, i tried that before.

Thanks for all the ideas and motivation i appreciate it. Sorry if i sound like a fat whinger lol... i don't talk about this in real life so i'm blurting it all out on here since i'm anonymous.

I know alot of you are probably repulsed by people like me, because you don't understand how i can abuse my body like i do. I'm not looking for sympathy... im just trying to make a plan for myself.

I don't expect anyone to make the plan for me either, i was just seeing if it was a silly idea for me to do weights. I watch this show called "RUBY", she's morbidly obese and trying to lose weight, her trainer won't let her do weights because he says it will bulk her up... but then another guy said that weights is exactly what she needs to be doing.

There's so much conflicting advice out there!

I'll stop bugging you all now and just read some more of the site. Thanks

 

[Christian]

Basically people are uneducated...

Muscle tone has nothing to do with skin elasticity...

The yougner you loose weight the greater the chance of your skin going back 100% with out trouble... odler you get more elasticity you loose and wamo in trouble...

1. bodybuilders are not healthy people.. The look of health and perception of health and actual health are 2 different things. Alot of body builders would probably be the unhealthiest people there are.

Now eggs you would of heard about are bad because of cholesterol. 85% of your bodies cholesterol is made in your liver.. so SFA is what you ingest.

Yes fruit is a double edged sword the idea for fruit is timing...

Water drink it up its how your body removes toxins.

Looseing weight through shakes will cause what you already know happens yo yo dieitng..

you loose x amount of weight then put more back on, i think i read you have done this before...

Knowledge is your most powerful tool and you have to arm your self with it...

I suggest you go to your dr get a check up and get blood tests

TSH
t3
t4
LFT
cholesterol break down
iron studies
FBC
cortisol


just to start off...


say hello to your new friend

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[nievs]

Basically people are uneducated...

OutOfControl I know how confusing it can be when you get contradictory advice.

If I had listened to 'normal people' I would've been eating soy, having no more than 1 egg a day, going 51km/h in a 50 zone causes cars to explode and babies to die etc

End result of that in 10 years would've been me as a fat, weak, alcoholic man watching today tonight/aca and believing the shit they spin.

The advice given in this thread is spot on, please read it all again, make a plan and stick to it. You can just fix your diet and do low impact exercise eg. walking initially until your body adjusts.

Your body will change if you give it a reason to.



(Waits for Kyle-Aaron's essay)

 

[dave]

Some trainers are uneducated dicks who think they are experts after a 16 week course. If they learnt to think for themselves and read more you would not have this problem. You need both weights and 'cardio' for your health. Weights increase strength and bone mass while 'cardio' increases heart and lung function and the bodies ability to provdr blood to the muscles. For now 'cardio' for you needs to be low impact as you could injure yourself. When I say weights I mean getting a barbell and dumbbells and some weight plates and doing some real exercises, check out PTC's beginner program it's fine for you.

Loose skin is due to losing too much weight and too fast. Skin is elastic and you see only 26 so in the long run you should be fine.At the start you will notice it after a while it will tighten up, it's not a big deal you can work it out once you are down to a lower weight.

All of this is just in the details though, if you are committed and disciplined and use what we have written to keep your body healthy and still burning fat instead of yo yoing you will be fine even if the details are not exact.
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[OutOfControl]

Hey peoples

So ... today! I haven't eaten anything yet. I have this bad habit where i won't eat all day and then i feast on anything i can find and eat at night. I'm going to have 2 eggs and some toast. I guess that's ok..

I haven't really drank anything today either. I had a cup of apple juice this morning. I just went and filled a 3 litre bottle up with water though. I'll start drinking that later.

Umm what else. I had a look at the weights i've got. I only have 5kilo and 2.5 kilo ones. The 5 kilo was too heavy for me (I know how sad is that) So i did it with the 2.5kilo and did those thrusters in the video. Thanks for the video.

I just remembered it's a long weekend this week. Oh no ... that means there will be plenty of alcohol around. Can i ask you all a question? Do you really not drink alcohol? How do you go at parties and social situations? Do people think you are a weirdo because you don't drink?

When i joined weight watchers the instructor person who was incharge of it all was overweight herself, so were the people who weighed us. You pay every week to go to a meeting where they weigh you and you listen to the instructor person talk about weight loss.

I found it hard to believe her because she wasn't slim herself. I feel the same when i get a doctor or nurse who is fat, talking to me about how to lose weight.

(Can i drink pepsi max? The one with zero sugar? - completely off topic)

 

[OutOfControl]

Some gyms are like that too. The ones just for girls.. like curves. Some of those have overweight people working for them. I don't know why they do that, maybe to make us feel comfortable? Instead i just think "if you work in a gym and you are still overweight - this must be a really crap gym".

That's part of why i am looking to bodybuilders.

 

[Christian]

Hey peoples

So ... today! I haven't eaten anything yet. I have this bad habit where i won't eat all day and then i feast on anything i can find and eat at night. I'm going to have 2 eggs and some toast. I guess that's ok..

I haven't really drank anything today either. I had a cup of apple juice this morning. I just went and filled a 3 litre bottle up with water though. I'll start drinking that later.

Umm what else. I had a look at the weights i've got. I only have 5kilo and 2.5 kilo ones. The 5 kilo was too heavy for me (I know how sad is that) So i did it with the 2.5kilo and did those thrusters in the video. Thanks for the video.

I just remembered it's a long weekend this week. Oh no ... that means there will be plenty of alcohol around. Can i ask you all a question? Do you really not drink alcohol? How do you go at parties and social situations? Do people think you are a weirdo because you don't drink?

When i joined weight watchers the instructor person who was incharge of it all was overweight herself, so were the people who weighed us. You pay every week to go to a meeting where they weigh you and you listen to the instructor person talk about weight loss.

I found it hard to believe her because she wasn't slim herself. I feel the same when i get a doctor or nurse who is fat, talking to me about how to lose weight.

Can i drink pepsi max? The one with zero sugar?

Pepsi max is out, Aspartame causes tumours. Basically anything with caffeine is out as caffeine increases insulin resistance. (for people who dont believe me Caffeine Can Decrease Insulin Sensitivity in Humans ? Diabetes Care )

Insulin resistance is not something anyone wants especially someone like your self with so many other predesposed facts to LIFESTYLE diabetes.



Starvation is terrible, you burn less calories doing that as i have already stated.
breakfast is your main meal of the day, its break/fast how simple can it be... your breaking your fasting state and restarting your metabolic function...

Alcohol is poison, society is socialy acceptable of it because it is weak. The same way coke is socially acceptable now (the kind that goes up your nose though im sitll not sure what one is worse).


Its up to you its your life i and i hope you will make the right decisions from now on because if you dont you will face premature death and disease.