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[Sticky]

Round back deadlifting is an ADVANCED technique.

You are not advanced.

I am now going to leave this thread. You obviously are going to do what you want to do, because you know everything.

 

[CaT_SPeW]

I am now going to leave this thread. You obviously are going to do what you want to do, because you know everything.

c'mon sticky you know you love it

 

[jchen]

Maybe he is staying small like a little child for his cycling?

They are all string beans.

 

[Morgan]

Round back deadlifting is an ADVANCED technique.

You are not advanced.

I am now going to leave this thread. You obviously are going to do what you want to do, because you know everything.

What are you talking about? He's an elite athlete, he's a cyclist!!!

Reminds me of this guy, Hamish Blake, he won the heavyweight division in a bodybuilding comp, he must be an athlete too....

 

[dandexter]

You're round-backing your deadlift in your avatar lol. Round-backing is fine, what matters is power in the spine, as long as your spine doesn't move there isn't a problem

I wouldn't call what I was doing in my DP a round back deadlift, yes the upper back is rounded a little, pretty sure that's normal and not dangerous. When you said what I quote I was understanding that as you were talking about your whole back/lower back. Which I'm sure isn't a good idea.

This thread isn't about me anyway, i'm not the numb nuts on here bragging about maxing out daily wanting people to think your some kind of hardcore hero.

 

[TrentZor]

This thread rocks..

 

[Fadi]

I'm now training at a disadvantage, no belts, high bar olympic squats, push press as my main pressing movement

Hello Oni,

Re your above statement, I do have just the one question if you don't mind mate. I fully understand the no belt and the high bar squats, however how is performing or adding a push (a drive generated from your lower and very powerful muscles) put you in a disadvantage when it comes to propelling the weight above your head?

olympic weightlifters add the push because the whole movement corresponds with the jerking part of the clean and jerk lift. I'll stop here just in case you meant something totally different from what I'm talking about.

Take care mate and all the best with your lifting.


Fadi.

 

[0ni]

I wouldn't call what I was doing in my DP a round back deadlift, yes the upper back is rounded a little, pretty sure that's normal and not dangerous. When you said what I quote I was understanding that as you were talking about your whole back/lower back. Which I'm sure isn't a good idea.

This thread isn't about me anyway, i'm not the numb nuts on here bragging about maxing out daily wanting people to think your some kind of hardcore hero.

The back is rounding, it's a round back deadlift no matter where it's rounding. What did you think I meant? That lifting the weight off the floor like a scared cat was a safe/effective way of deadlifting? Comeon, bro

 

[0ni]

Hello Oni,

Re your above statement, I do have just the one question if you don't mind mate. I fully understand the no belt and the high bar squats, however how is performing or adding a push (a drive generated from your lower and very powerful muscles) put you in a disadvantage when it comes to propelling the weight above your head?

olympic weightlifters add the push because the whole movement corresponds with the jerking part of the clean and jerk lift. I'll stop here just in case you meant something totally different from what I'm talking about.

Take care mate and all the best with your lifting.


Fadi.

That's fine, I welcome intelligent discussion
I was relating to the bench press regarding the disadvantage. One thing I've noticed is that people that can push press a lot can press a lot in ANY exercise (apart from leg press, but that's gay). You don't get this with people with a big bench though. I see the same correlation with high bar squats as well, it seems a great exercise for building a squat, while low bar is great for demonstrating it.

By my logic a strict press would be better than a push press, but then again push press is overall a far superior movement for overloading the triceps and shoulders and I like the "full body" aspect it brings

 

[0ni]

Round back deadlifting is an ADVANCED technique.

You are not advanced.

I am now going to leave this thread. You obviously are going to do what you want to do, because you know everything.

Maybe I'd listen to what you had to say if you laid it out in a logical fashion instead of using appeal to (little) authority.

Not the first time you've done this either, I hate to turn this into a pissing contest but claiming that you can't do an oral only cycle while in other threads recommending oral pro-hormones (but not recommending that people take testosterone with them, naturally) is ludicrous. But of course, you know best because you're old, can't get an erection and have to take test-e every ten days and read on steroid.com that you can't do an oral only AAS cycle otherwise you'll blow up.

Despite having "left this thread", I know that you're probably going to reply to this anyway so see if you can do so in a logical, thought out manner - yes?

 

[Fadi]

By my logic a strict press would be better than a push press,...

First of all, thank you for your reply to my question. Secondly, I'd stick with your logic re our subject matter.

Take care.


Fadi.

 

[0ni]

First of all, thank you for your reply to my question. Secondly, I'd stick with your logic re our subject matter.

Take care.


Fadi.

You think strict press is better than push press for increasing strength on the bench press? Just wondering why this is as all I've ever seen is that push press is an overall better developer (apart from Jim Wendler, who says you should do overhead press because it's more manly, lol)

 

[Fadi]

You think strict press is better than push press for increasing strength on the bench press? Just wondering why this is as all I've ever seen is that push press is an overall better developer (apart from Jim Wendler, who says you should do overhead press because it's more manly, lol)

Sorry about that Oni. I must've been thinking and focusing my thoughts on something else (like muscle hypertrophy in the shoulder and triceps areas) instead of increasing strength in the bench press. I am not and have never been a bench press specialist, so I would not be able to advice you on this subject. My mistake, sorry about that mate.


Fadi.

 

[0ni]

Sorry about that Oni. I must've been thinking and focusing my thoughts on something else (like muscle hypertrophy in the shoulder and triceps areas) instead of increasing strength in the bench press. I am not and have never been a bench press specialist, so I would not be able to advice you on this subject. My mistake, sorry about that mate.


Fadi.

Ok, thanks anyway

 

[Sticky]

Where the fuck did I tell somebody to use PH's?

For any novices reading this thread, you DO NOT focus on over head pressing to bring up your bench. It's the least logical thing I've seen anybody type for a while.
But we will let oni do what he KNOWS is best lol.

 

[wingman]

For any novices reading this thread, you DO NOT focus on over head pressing to bring up your bench. It's the least logical thing I've seen anybody type for a while.

Yet the vice versa is true, no?

 

[Sticky]

Not really.
Whist you will get some carry over, benching (properly) wont bring up your OH a huge amount.
If you want to get good at benching. Bench.
Lots of volume, and doing plenty of work in the higher % region.

Same goes for overhead work. You want to put a shitload over head? Practice putting weight overhead.

All the biggest benches I personally know are not that strong overhead.

My coach benches 200kg raw at 88kg, and does little to no overhead pressing. He will also bench 270kg at under 90kg in the next 6 months.

Fuzzy, a forum member has no issue putting 160-170kg over head, but has a best bench of around 130kg.....

 

[wingman]

Not really.
Whist you will get some carry over, benching (properly) wont bring up your OH a huge amount.
If you want to get good at benching. Bench.
Lots of volume, and doing plenty of work in the higher % region.

Same goes for overhead work. You want to put a shitload over head? Practice putting weight overhead.

All the biggest benches I personally know are not that strong overhead.

My coach benches 200kg raw at 88kg, and does little to no overhead pressing. He will also bench 270kg at under 90kg in the next 6 months.

Fuzzy, a forum member has no issue putting 160-170kg over head, but has a best bench of around 130kg.....

Majority of people I know (who aren't training for PL comps) have their ohp roughly about 2/3rds of their bench. Eg 66kg ohp : 100 bench, or 200 ohp : 300 bench, etc. Is this a coincidence?

 

[Sticky]

Who do you know that puts 200kg overhead, and benches 300kg?

I can jerk 115kg, but bench 147.5kg..... Though I OH press maybe once a month.

 

[Fadi]

Who do you know that puts 200kg overhead, and benches 300kg?

I can jerk 115kg, but bench 147.5kg..... Though I OH press maybe once a month.

Forgive me Sticky, but I'm getting a little bit confused with some of the comments made in this thread. Let me clarify what I'm talking about.

I see the comparison made between apples and oranges here with regard to some comments. I know and I'm also very familiar with the difference that is; a push, a jerk, and finally... a press. None of the three techniques would I place in the one and same category.

I'm not saying you (or anyone else here) is wrong, that's not what I’m about. What I am saying however is, are we not creating a bit of a confusion when we mix the terms, jerk, push, and press together?

Your clarification would be much appreciated Sticky. Thank you Sir.


Fadi.