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Doctor Explains Why Calories in vs Calories Out is a Fallacy.
Big Mick
"2014 - Kunce of the year"
I am not saying anything, I simply posted up a video of a doctor who is at the top of his field saying something.
I don't understand what you are trying to say.
Who are these guys at the top of the industry?? And what industry are you talking about?
Big Mick
"2014 - Kunce of the year"
Interesting video, but I would love to know who this guy is, and what qualifications he has, anyone can make youtube videos with personal opinion.
Personally I think he has no relevant medical qualifications that would enable him to make a judgement, unlike the some of the people he talks about who are practicing Doctors with extensive medical training at the top of their field.
This guys just seems to be a YouTuber selling ebooks to suckers. he seems to have no medical qualifications or training what so ever.
Big Mick
"2014 - Kunce of the year"
OK I did about 5 minutes of research on your mate Jason Blaha
Here is the first thing that comes up:
He is [FONT=q_serif] a youtuber who claims to be an ex marine, soldier of fortune (mercenary), a black belt in two secret arts, and a former champion bodybuilder, among other things.[/FONT]
[FONT=q_serif]all of his claims have been exposed as lies and delussions, the man is a pathological liar and clearly has mental problems.
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May be come back when you find someone that is not a pathological liar with zero qualifications.
White_Lie
Look at Moi, I'm a Kunce
You do realise that's Layne Norton, not Jason Blaha?
Layne has a PhD in Nutritional Science, something I doubt many of these "doctors" would have. As well as a BSc in BioChemisty.
Most regular physicians don't really study nutrition as such. He also holds the world record for the 93kg squat at 303kg, posted an 800kg total at under 92kg and competed in many BB comps over 10 years so he does have a bit of an idea...
Here's his CV if you like
https://www.biolayne.com/about/
I believe he is more than qualified to put his 2c in unlike someone like Dr Berg who is a Chiropractor, coming across as a nutritional expert.
Layne has a PhD in Nutritional Science, something I doubt many of these "doctors" would have. As well as a BSc in BioChemisty.
Most regular physicians don't really study nutrition as such. He also holds the world record for the 93kg squat at 303kg, posted an 800kg total at under 92kg and competed in many BB comps over 10 years so he does have a bit of an idea...
Here's his CV if you like
https://www.biolayne.com/about/
I believe he is more than qualified to put his 2c in unlike someone like Dr Berg who is a Chiropractor, coming across as a nutritional expert.
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Big Mick
"2014 - Kunce of the year"
My mistake, I don't know who either of these people are, I looked him up and he is more qualified that the other guy, but he does not seem to be a practicing doctor even though he does claim to have some qualifications which he does not appear to be using in any field of medicine.
He still seems to be a guy selling eBooks to suckers. so he has a vested interest in discrediting others more qualified with decades of actual medical experience curing patients of ailments in order to peddle his books.
Anyway, go with what you believe, each person has to make up their own mind I guess. To me what he says makes sense, but I am no doctor either.
Big Mick
"2014 - Kunce of the year"
I don't believe I mentioned Dr Berg, yes he does the interview in one of the videos.
Just because he is a chiropractor does not mean he has not done further study, clearly Dr Berg is not relying on his chiropractor training to run his nutritional forums.
Dr Jason Fung is an expert in his field, having cured countless people of ailments, yet you also disregard his advice, yet he does have all the qualifications.
So is it just that you disregard anyone that does not agree with your world views or is there other criteria you use??
White_Lie
Look at Moi, I'm a Kunce
In his field? He's a Nephrologist. A kidney specialist. He is not a dietician or nutritionalist. He groups everyone under the same banner as those with kidney issues that come thru his clinic.
Here's another article from someone with the right qualifications.
https://www.evolvedsportandnutritio...ary-advice-from-anyone-other-than-a-dietitian
And here's one pointing out the many flaws Dr Fung has in his posts.
https://www.myoleanfitness.com/evidence-caloric-restriction/
White_Lie
Look at Moi, I'm a Kunce
Yes, your body will adapt to the deficit, hence why you slowly reduce calories in. Then you can drop them again. And again. And again. It's not rocket science Mick...
If you aren't losing weight, you're not in a deficit. Simple.
The only reason fasting works for some is because it's easier to limit your calories when you have a smaller window to eat in. You naturally eat less. Nothing to do with insulin levels. If insulin was so important, why doesn't say a keto diet that has very little to no carbs have drastically different weight loss results when overall calories consumed are equal?
Big Mick
"2014 - Kunce of the year"
I don't even own a suit, and last time I wore one was around 25 years ago. So I can't really comment.
Big Mick
"2014 - Kunce of the year"
So how long do you keep dropping calories?? This to me seems like the perfect way to stuff your metabolism.
I am pretty certain a well executed ketonic diet has superior weight loss results for most people (over a pure calorie restriction diet). By well executed I mean done correctly, most people following a Keto diet consume excess (too much) protein causing a rise in insulin levels.
It's basic science and a well known fact that insulin is a fat storage hormone, insulin is what is required for cells to store fat, it is also almost impossible to access your fat stored in the presence of insulin. People keep telling their body to store fat and then wonder why they get fat.
Some people may get away with just reducing calories, just like some people manage to live off pizza and KFC and still stay lean. However there is a large number of people that will have zero success simply reducing calories, Especillay when they are also weight training and wanting to remain strong and gain muscle.
White_Lie
Look at Moi, I'm a Kunce
You drop maybe 500 cals off your maintenance, then another 200 or so, slowly coming down over weeks as your metabolism adapts (and of course your weight drops so your actual maintenance cals are lower). Many would suggest a refeed after a certain number of weeks to reset the metabolism however, you should only be cutting for maybe 10-15 weeks at a time. If you want to retain maximum muscle mass, it's a slow process. Around 500g loss per week is what you should be aiming for. This isn't the biggest loser...
Seriously Mick, this is all basic stuff. How long have you been doing this and never been thru a cut or bulk? If you want to lose weight, you consume less. If you want to gain weight, you consume more.
If cals in/out don't matter, how would you suggest one gain weight? Just pump themselves full of sugar to keep the insulin spiking whilst sticking to maintenance caloric intake?
Seriously Mick, this is all basic stuff. How long have you been doing this and never been thru a cut or bulk? If you want to lose weight, you consume less. If you want to gain weight, you consume more.
If cals in/out don't matter, how would you suggest one gain weight? Just pump themselves full of sugar to keep the insulin spiking whilst sticking to maintenance caloric intake?
It’s funny calories in vs calories while not 100% perfect works on farm animals extremely well.
Its harder to work on humans because humans tend to lie and it’s hard to tie humans up for years and do a controlled calories in vs out study.
Calories in vs out isn’t just pure physics without taking into biology. When you test the energy of feeds for farm animals you have to specify the animal because the feed value varies depending on the animals and how they digest the same feed. Humans is the same. The calories you see is estimated for humans, it’s not the total calorie content of that food.
There was this TV show that was doing nutrition myths. They got three people that claimed they all ate something like 1500 calories and couldn’t loose weight, calorie counting didn’t work for them. The show hired private investigators to follow them and track their eating. In reality they were actually eating something like double to triple the calories they claimed.
Its harder to work on humans because humans tend to lie and it’s hard to tie humans up for years and do a controlled calories in vs out study.
Calories in vs out isn’t just pure physics without taking into biology. When you test the energy of feeds for farm animals you have to specify the animal because the feed value varies depending on the animals and how they digest the same feed. Humans is the same. The calories you see is estimated for humans, it’s not the total calorie content of that food.
There was this TV show that was doing nutrition myths. They got three people that claimed they all ate something like 1500 calories and couldn’t loose weight, calorie counting didn’t work for them. The show hired private investigators to follow them and track their eating. In reality they were actually eating something like double to triple the calories they claimed.
Goosey
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A few things about Fung
He pushes insulin as the main culprit to fat gain, whilst most others contribute calories.
Fung doesn’t go into the important aspects of building or maintaining muscle whilst killing fat which I believe is most important.
He has (like most) good and bad points in his book, but I think it would’ve been more helpful and convincing if he had of included before and after pictures of people he’d worked with, if he even has done so.
Based on that I think there is far more practical evidence to suggest that calories in and out are the best overall measure.
And like everything if you cannot measure you can’t produce realistic results.
He pushes insulin as the main culprit to fat gain, whilst most others contribute calories.
Fung doesn’t go into the important aspects of building or maintaining muscle whilst killing fat which I believe is most important.
He has (like most) good and bad points in his book, but I think it would’ve been more helpful and convincing if he had of included before and after pictures of people he’d worked with, if he even has done so.
Based on that I think there is far more practical evidence to suggest that calories in and out are the best overall measure.
And like everything if you cannot measure you can’t produce realistic results.
Timeah
Captain Kunce
No i think it's been found that when caloric deficit is equal, the two methods provided similar results.
Ill need to go find it.
Also, the guy who ate nothing but maccas, and another guy who Ate nothing but mars bars. Kept to a caloric deficit. Both lost predictable amounts of weight.
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