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[Article] Are deadlifts necessary beyond powerlifting?

fadi, i am going to post some efforts today trying to keep hips down and back neutral with power cleans. first time i have done them in a couple of years.
 
spartacus said:
fadi, i am going to post some efforts today trying to keep hips down and back neutral with power cleans. first time i have done them in a couple of years.
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I'm looking forward to seeing that Champion. Thanks for sharing your experience here with us, I most certainly appreciate it. Power cleans are my favourite of all movements as you know. Hopefully I can post the same myself in the near future.
 
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spartacus said:
90kg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w4lYkoCQqU&feature=youtu.be
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Spart, have you heard of Ashot Danielyan of Armenia? He was one of the top super heavy weightlifters, granted he was stripped of his bronze medal at the Sydney 2000 Olympics for Stanozol, but that's another story.

The reason I'm mentioning him, is because your initial stance reminds me of his. If you're still in the gym, I'd appreciate one more power clean from head on, I want to see what your arms are doing and the way your back and chest look over the bar. I bet you're another Ashot Danielyan.
 
spartacus said:
fadi, here is 95kg power clean from 2011 from front.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejbjwpzeRK4
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Spart, you're so naturally strong it's not funny. You caught that nighty fiver so high it's ridiculous my man. I did pick up something that if worked on and fixed, you would surprise even yourself. It's your elbows Spart. Before you initiate the lift, your elbows need to be turned in. Elbows that are turned in force your arms to remain straight. You learn that with a 40kg on the bar and no more. You do pulls with it, and occasionally explode into a full power clean.

Overall, I'm very impressed with your natural strength mate. We'll discus this further later on if you wish...I'm just getting ready for work right now. Take care.
 
WoodyAllen said:
The weird thing is that your oly lift back posture is much better than your deads posture. Not sure why, mebbe mental? Anyhoo, saw this and thought of your thread:

https://www.elitefts.com/education/training/bodybuilding/why-deads-are-overrated/

As I have said before, the answer to all fitness related questions begin with the words, "It depends....."
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I do deads on leg day (always after squats) so don't get the same conflict with back development as explained in the article
 
WoodyAllen said:
The weird thing is that your oly lift back posture is much better than your deads posture. Not sure why, mebbe mental? Anyhoo, saw this and thought of your thread:

https://www.elitefts.com/education/training/bodybuilding/why-deads-are-overrated/

As I have said before, the answer to all fitness related questions begin with the words, "It depends....."
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thanks woody. will have a read.

I think power clean looks better because resistance to move weight off floor is much easier. but set of deadlifts you viewed was near maximal effort.
 
spartacus said:
thanks woody. will have a read.

I think power clean looks better because resistance to move weight off floor is much easier. but set of deadlifts you viewed was near maximal effort.
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Are you implying or suggesting that as one approaches near maximal effort, a loss of form is to be expected by default?
 
I am stating, not implying, that as weight gets heavier I find it very hard to keep hips down as only my stronger back muscles can move the weight.

it may be poor skill development over the years, but I have a very large discrepancy between thigh and back strength. always have.
 
spartacus said:
I am stating, not implying, that as weight gets heavier I find it very hard to keep hips down as only my stronger back muscles can move the weight.

it may be poor skill development over the years, but I have a very large discrepancy between thigh and back strength. always have.
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Must admit this used to happen to me quite a bit. Not really anymore though. And not really sure how i fixed beyond practicing the deadlift. Ha.

Tim.
 
tim, yes, but your deadlift and squat are a lot closer than mine.

I did 160kg, borderline, and 230kg in 2011. back then I could not budge 180kg keeping hips down.

I am sure if my squat goes up I will have more chance of keeping hips down a bit.
 
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