I am guessing it works for those who are short of creatine in their diet, those that consume enough creatine through food would yield no benefits, just like there is no benefit in putting 25 litres of unleaded into a 20 litre jerry can.
Pure pharmaceutical grade creatine sells for $19/kilo retail, if you are paying any more than that you can join the guys who pay $40 for a 2kg tub of sugar with a shiny label containing $2.50 worth of sugar.
So I guess that 99.9% of the population is deficient??
Wonder how much creatine, protein powder and other $100 per tub supplements these guys use in the African wilderness, or if they just eat some eggs and meat and train??
You can usually get creatine pretty cheap if you look for no-name brands on eBay, it's the same thing. I had decent results mixing creatine and dextrose together and dextrose is cheap and you can get some at your local supermarket. This article explains the theory behind dextrose + creatine: http://www.livestrong.com/article/4...se-do-you-mix-with-creatine-for-bodybuilding/
- Getting enough creatine in your diet (are you eating 1kg of steak a day?).
- Jerry can analogy again (does the food spill out of your mouth?).
- "Glossy labels".
- Still not understanding sugar.
Sorry, but I've got to call troll.
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What I want to know is where do those guys get their liver tabs?
If not you could hook them up with your guy.If they eat liver and organ meats etc they probably don't need any.
I doubt they would take any supplements at all.
- Getting enough creatine in your diet (are you eating 1kg of steak a day?).
- Jerry can analogy again (does the food spill out of your mouth?).
- "Glossy labels".
- Still not understanding sugar.
How do you know that you need 1kg of steak?? All meats contain creatine roughly in equal amounts, eggs contain creatine, fish contains creatine.
I would easily consume enough protein based foods in a day to obtain enough creatine.
1kg of steak is not a lot for a full grown man, I know people that will eat that in one sitting. I will easily have 400-500 grams of some sort of meat for dinner, thats not counting 200-300 grams of chicken or Salmon for lunch and the odd can of tuna as a snack, as well as 2-3 eggs and/or some bacon and/or minute steak for breakfast on a normal day.
-Glossy labels is what you pay the big $$ for. ie Glossy label tub of dextrose for body builders $40, dextrose in plain plastic bag from Coles $3
Pretty sure I understand sugar a lot better than someone paying $40 for a tub of itI was the one explaining the use/benefits to you a while back when you argued against it, now you go and buy a $40 tub of it for what ever reason.
Re the jerry can analogy, it's pretty basic what happens to the excess crap you consume, it has to be processed by your body and eliminated from your body by either pissing it out (that bright yellow strongly smelling pee you would have) or coming out when you take a dump in the process causing damage to your body and putting strain on your organs. Supplement manufacturers have little to no regulation, and you don't even know what you are taking and what it will do to your body.
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One should also be aware that excess consumption of creatine can cause damage to vital organs, particularly the pancreas. A single overdose of manufactured creatine can damage the pancreas, and the damage is irreversible. This type of damage to the pancreas usually results in digestive problems, diabetes and death. Even taking recommended doses of manufactured creatine over long periods of time can lead to inflammation of the pancreas, also known as pancreatitis, and pancreatitis can cause permanent damage to the pancreas. In addition, taking creatine supplements for a long time can prevent the body from synthesizing its own creatine. For these reasons, creatine supplements should only be taken for long periods of time under the supervision of a health care provider.
If you want to talk $. Whey protein is one of the cheapest sources of protein per gram.
How do you know that you need 1kg of steak?? All meats contain creatine roughly in equal amounts, eggs contain creatine, fish contains creatine.
I would easily consume enough protein based foods in a day to obtain enough creatine.
1kg of steak is not a lot for a full grown man, I know people that will eat that in one sitting. I will easily have 400-500 grams of some sort of meat for dinner, thats not counting 200-300 grams of chicken or Salmon for lunch and the odd can of tuna as a snack, as well as 2-3 eggs and/or some bacon and/or minute steak for breakfast on a normal day.
-Glossy labels is what you pay the big $$ for. ie Glossy label tub of dextrose for body builders $40, dextrose in plain plastic bag from Coles $3, and really I don't even consider dextrose a supplement as such it's just highly processed food, that can/may have some benefits if eaten at the right time in the right combination with other foods.
Pretty sure I understand sugar a lot better than someone paying $40 for a tub of itI was the one explaining the use/benefits to you a while back when you argued against it, now you go and buy a $40 tub of it for what ever reason.
Re the jerry can analogy, it's pretty basic what happens to the excess crap you consume, it has to be processed by your body and eliminated from your body by either pissing it out (that bright yellow strongly smelling pee you would have) or coming out when you take a dump in the process causing damage to your body and putting strain on your organs. Supplement manufacturers have little to no regulation, and you don't even know what you are taking and what it will do to your body.
QUOTE :
One should also be aware that excess consumption of creatine can cause damage to vital organs, particularly the pancreas. A single overdose of manufactured creatine can damage the pancreas, and the damage is irreversible. This type of damage to the pancreas usually results in digestive problems, diabetes and death. Even taking recommended doses of manufactured creatine over long periods of time can lead to inflammation of the pancreas, also known as pancreatitis, and pancreatitis can cause permanent damage to the pancreas. In addition, taking creatine supplements for a long time can prevent the body from synthesizing its own creatine. For these reasons, creatine supplements should only be taken for long periods of time under the supervision of a health care provider.
So how does that justify a $40 tub of dextrose??
Re protein powder I rather eat a minute steak or ¼ chicken or slice of smoked salmon or can of tuna or egg etc as a snack than have protein powder regardless of the cost, I am happy to pay for food I enjoy eating.
I still have a few kilos of protein powder here, that I am struggling to use up, as I use it to fill in any gaps and when looking at my protein powder and then looking at the smoked salmon in the fridge I go for the salmon every time even though it's $40 per kilo, I was using a shake straight after training for a while and I might get back to it just to get rid of the stuff before it goes out of date.
Then again I may not and just turf it into the bin, if any old supplements are still left here by the end of the year they will all go into the bin before I move house.
How do you know that you need 1kg of steak?? All meats contain creatine roughly in equal amounts, eggs contain creatine, fish contains creatine.
I would easily consume enough protein based foods in a day to obtain enough creatine.
1kg of steak is not a lot for a full grown man, I know people that will eat that in one sitting. I will easily have 400-500 grams of some sort of meat for dinner, thats not counting 200-300 grams of chicken or Salmon for lunch and the odd can of tuna as a snack, as well as 2-3 eggs and/or some bacon and/or minute steak for breakfast on a normal day.
-Glossy labels is what you pay the big $$ for. ie Glossy label tub of dextrose for body builders $40, dextrose in plain plastic bag from Coles $3, and really I don't even consider dextrose a supplement as such it's just highly processed food, that can/may have some benefits if eaten at the right time in the right combination with other foods.
Pretty sure I understand sugar a lot better than someone paying $40 for a tub of itI was the one explaining the use/benefits to you a while back when you argued against it, now you go and buy a $40 tub of it for what ever reason.
Re the jerry can analogy, it's pretty basic what happens to the excess crap you consume, it has to be processed by your body and eliminated from your body by either pissing it out (that bright yellow strongly smelling pee you would have) or coming out when you take a dump in the process causing damage to your body and putting strain on your organs. Supplement manufacturers have little to no regulation, and you don't even know what you are taking and what it will do to your body.
Mick in another thread you said eat what your body needs, now you're saying eat what you enjoy. Make up your mind.
Lol ?It's funny.
Eat what you enjoy as long as it's the same foods Mick enjoys.